Some photos. Nothing professional, just some iPhone snaps from the medic, James:
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19 responses to “Combat Patrol – Photos”
I miss WVA…I dont remember what a forest floor covered in dry leafs is like anymore…
Whats the weapon in the 1st picture? 308 Bullpup?
Thank for sharing
Bergmann
Its a M1 modded as a Bullpup with a kit if memory serves.
Its an M1A Scout mounted in a Rogue chassis. The “Little Chubby” muzzle break and the additional weight of the Rogue chassis zeroed out recoil. The rear weight bias made the weapon very quick to point.
Joe
Mr Fahy, Thank you for the reply. I was gonna guess it was an M1A by the bolt well but i wasn’t sure at all. Its a pretty small picture on my screen. I’m far from a gun nut so anything i said was a shot from the hip. All the things out on the market for firearms these day it has become an “ology” with its own life.
F, Thank you for the reply too.
Bergmann
Hi Joe, I see you braved the weather last weekend-wow! A tad cooler than the class we had in October with Chris at ECHO Valley. I really wanted to come however a crisis came up. Hopefully I will make to MVT soon.
7th picture down man with the patrol cap and butt pack on a harness system, what is the jacket or smock he is wearing?
That’s JC. It’s a German make, he will have to chime in with the name, I don’t recall.
We discussed the use of camo and solid colors. We also discussed the use or carriage of stuff that may not look as military, such as hunter camo, solid colors, and even just a spare light jacket in civvy colors. Hunter camo and carhartt in general fits in around WV. Now, given the equipment we are wearing, I don’t have any time for an argument that camo itself is bad. But there is scope for multipurposing clothing or having a set in your ruck of over clothes. Leave the patrol in over watch, put the civvy gear on, you and a buddy go meet the ‘agent’ carrying concealed handguns and wearing civvy looking clothes.
Meeting the “agent” in civilian clothes is a technique from the SAS video you posted, isn’t it?
Yes, it’s shown in that video. I’ll find the link when I’m back at my computer. Useful videos – very relevant!
Note: they are also wearing the ops vest/waistcoats that I referred to, with additional canteens to the rear on a light belt.
That’s what I was thinking with going with solid colors, or civvy camo. When I ruck thru the park districts forest trail I dress like a civvy which I am of course, and even with a ALICE pack I look like just another fitness person.
RobRoySimmons, the smock is made by Begadi, it is the Be-X Smock. I use the distributor in the UK to order from them.
From the pictures it seems like there is a lack of plate carriers/body armor. Is this assessment correct or are PCs just covered by the extra layers?
If anyone had a PC on, how did it affect your movement? Did anyone overheat? Thoughts appreciated.
PC’s were absent. Voluntarily so.
Max, was there a reason for this? Thanks.
Only what the students chose to wear. I made no directive. To quote JC on this matter, from the initial report post comments:
“On the PC debate, vehicle ops and static defense, I have an IBA with plates, and that’s when it would get used. I would rather be able to move faster, and protect my whole body, than have protection on a portion, and get shot because I was slower.”
I also commented over on that post about the PC debate: https://maxvelocitytactical.com/2014/01/initial-report-combat-patrol-gear-thoughts/
Yes there is / was a reason. 25lb battle belt, 9lb rifle, 21lb day pack = 55lbs of gear & this was battle gear, not rucking in sustainment / overnight gear. That was another 20-40 lbs.
Skittle tried wearing his Sat morning just to “gut check” himself and he did. But he left it in the truck Sunday morning…
And, this wasn’t a class of .. walk up range casually, do a break contact drill, walk back down casually and rest class. This was a full on tactical patrol scenario in some steep ass WV mountains.
One teams recce assignment Sunday night was a solid 4 hours of near vertical terrain in the dark. No one that I was aware of even considered wearing armor.
Oh come on, it wasn’t vertical, quite.
Misses that discussion. Very informative. Thanks again.
These pics really highlight how the changing seasons affect how well various camouflage patterns/colors blend with the surrounding terrain and vegetation. The variation is challenging. I’m still a big fan of old school woodland, but it doesn’t seem to do as well in the dead of winter against the brown leaves and bare gray trees.
I miss WVA…I dont remember what a forest floor covered in dry leafs is like anymore…
Whats the weapon in the 1st picture? 308 Bullpup?
Thank for sharing
Bergmann
Its a M1 modded as a Bullpup with a kit if memory serves.
Its an M1A Scout mounted in a Rogue chassis. The “Little Chubby” muzzle break and the additional weight of the Rogue chassis zeroed out recoil. The rear weight bias made the weapon very quick to point.
Joe
Mr Fahy, Thank you for the reply. I was gonna guess it was an M1A by the bolt well but i wasn’t sure at all. Its a pretty small picture on my screen. I’m far from a gun nut so anything i said was a shot from the hip. All the things out on the market for firearms these day it has become an “ology” with its own life.
F, Thank you for the reply too.
Bergmann
Hi Joe, I see you braved the weather last weekend-wow! A tad cooler than the class we had in October with Chris at ECHO Valley. I really wanted to come however a crisis came up. Hopefully I will make to MVT soon.
7th picture down man with the patrol cap and butt pack on a harness system, what is the jacket or smock he is wearing?
That’s JC. It’s a German make, he will have to chime in with the name, I don’t recall.
We discussed the use of camo and solid colors. We also discussed the use or carriage of stuff that may not look as military, such as hunter camo, solid colors, and even just a spare light jacket in civvy colors. Hunter camo and carhartt in general fits in around WV. Now, given the equipment we are wearing, I don’t have any time for an argument that camo itself is bad. But there is scope for multipurposing clothing or having a set in your ruck of over clothes. Leave the patrol in over watch, put the civvy gear on, you and a buddy go meet the ‘agent’ carrying concealed handguns and wearing civvy looking clothes.
Meeting the “agent” in civilian clothes is a technique from the SAS video you posted, isn’t it?
Yes, it’s shown in that video. I’ll find the link when I’m back at my computer. Useful videos – very relevant!
Here is the post with that video link: https://maxvelocitytactical.com/2013/07/useful-patrol-training-video/
Note: they are also wearing the ops vest/waistcoats that I referred to, with additional canteens to the rear on a light belt.
That’s what I was thinking with going with solid colors, or civvy camo. When I ruck thru the park districts forest trail I dress like a civvy which I am of course, and even with a ALICE pack I look like just another fitness person.
RobRoySimmons, the smock is made by Begadi, it is the Be-X Smock. I use the distributor in the UK to order from them.
From the pictures it seems like there is a lack of plate carriers/body armor. Is this assessment correct or are PCs just covered by the extra layers?
If anyone had a PC on, how did it affect your movement? Did anyone overheat? Thoughts appreciated.
PC’s were absent. Voluntarily so.
Max, was there a reason for this? Thanks.
Only what the students chose to wear. I made no directive. To quote JC on this matter, from the initial report post comments:
“On the PC debate, vehicle ops and static defense, I have an IBA with plates, and that’s when it would get used. I would rather be able to move faster, and protect my whole body, than have protection on a portion, and get shot because I was slower.”
I also commented over on that post about the PC debate:
https://maxvelocitytactical.com/2014/01/initial-report-combat-patrol-gear-thoughts/
Yes there is / was a reason. 25lb battle belt, 9lb rifle, 21lb day pack = 55lbs of gear & this was battle gear, not rucking in sustainment / overnight gear. That was another 20-40 lbs.
Skittle tried wearing his Sat morning just to “gut check” himself and he did. But he left it in the truck Sunday morning…
And, this wasn’t a class of .. walk up range casually, do a break contact drill, walk back down casually and rest class. This was a full on tactical patrol scenario in some steep ass WV mountains.
One teams recce assignment Sunday night was a solid 4 hours of near vertical terrain in the dark. No one that I was aware of even considered wearing armor.
Oh come on, it wasn’t vertical, quite.
Misses that discussion. Very informative. Thanks again.
These pics really highlight how the changing seasons affect how well various camouflage patterns/colors blend with the surrounding terrain and vegetation. The variation is challenging. I’m still a big fan of old school woodland, but it doesn’t seem to do as well in the dead of winter against the brown leaves and bare gray trees.