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    • #133318
      Joe (G.W.N.S.)
      Moderator

        Post information here about what’s being proposed.

        This isn’t a place to post any opinions on “cold dead hands!”

        Looking for information to build a picture of what may happen.

        What groups are planning on a presence?

        What are their proposed methods?

        When do these new politicians take office?

        I’ve heard about laws being effective in July, is that hardwired into Virginia law or can they fast track measures to be in effect by Lobby Day?

        What LEA’s have jurisdiction for this area?

        What if anything are they proposing for their response?

        National Guard?

        Info on protest, counter protest, Left/Right, traditional lobbying etc..?

        Information and links to it prefered.

      • #133325
        Mike Q
        Participant

          My understanding is there is a fast track option for new bills. However they require a 2/3 majority in both the house and Senate. Which I don’t think they can get, certainly not the gun grabbing bills. However the adjustment to the paramilitary training bill would be the one they would try that on. But again I don’t think they have numbers to support that.

        • #133329
          JohnnyMac
          Participant

            What groups are planning on a presence?

            Local antifa chapter, Seven Hills RVA, does not appear to have anything on social. However, they are known to maintain tight OPSEC.

            • This reply was modified 2 months ago by JohnnyMac.
          • #133341
            Joe (G.W.N.S.)
            Moderator

              Virginia Citizens Defense League
              VCDL will be holding the most important Lobby Day Rally that we have ever had on Monday January 20th, 2020.

              VCDL is chartering buses to Lobby Day on January 20. All seats are $35. All depart Richmond at 2 PM. Sign up through Eventbrite; all signups are now live (as of Dec 12).

              Lobby Day Speakers:

              Stephen Willeford stopped a massacre at a church in Texas

              Antonia Oakafor trains women college students to be able to protect themselves with a firearm

              Dick Heller from the landmark U.S. Supreme Court case of DC v. Heller

              Dr. Veronica Slootzsky, a psychiatrist in Northern Virginia

              Cam Edwards, Bearing Arms and host of the Cam & Co Youtube channel

              Jeff Katz, talkshow host on Richmond’s powerhouse radio station WRVA

              Erich Pratt, Senior Vice-President of Gun Owners of America

              Sheriff Scott Jenkins of Culpeper County, willing to deputize thousands if necessary to save their gun rights

              Sheriff Danny Diggs of York County, pledging to stand strong against infringements on the right to keep and bear arms

              Anthony Myers, gun-rights activist from Suffolk

              Senator Amanda Chase

              Delegate Nick Freitas

              Delegate John McGuire

            • #133342
              Joe (G.W.N.S.)
              Moderator

                Virginia Oath Keepers

                ALL VAOK MEMBERS-JOIN US FOR LOBBY DAY!
                …January 20th, with a pre briefing the day of.
                We like to see as many members attend this event or see the membership come out and exercise their 1st amendment rights on 2nd amendment issues that is taking place in the state legislature and other unconstitutional laws that the state is trying to pass into law.

                We are asking members to have their Radio’s and Ifak’s with them. Information on where we will rally at will be sent to all members who register by email.
                Radio communication info will be provided ASAP!

              • #133344
                JohnnyMac
                Participant

                  All seats are $35

                  On the VCDL website, it said $35 donation encouraged, IE, if you don’t have the money, come anyway.

                • #133349
                  Joe (G.W.N.S.)
                  Moderator

                    Jan 20, 2020, 8:00 AM – 1:00 PM
                    General Assembly Building, 900 E Main St, Richmond, VA 23219

                  • #133350
                    Joe (G.W.N.S.)
                    Moderator

                      Virginia Division of Capitol Police

                      Virginia State Capitol Alert Network (VSCAN)

                      When an incident or emergency occurs, authorized senders can notify you using VSCAN. This is your personal connection to updates, instructions on where to go, what to do, or what not to do, who to contact and other information. You can be notified via multiple contact methods such as email accounts (home, work, etc), cell phone, pager or hand-held device (smart phone).

                    • #133354
                      Joe (G.W.N.S.)
                      Moderator

                        Virginia Statewide Agencies Radio System (STARS)

                        Capitol Police primary operations are now on the Richmond City TRS and STARS. The VHF repeater remains turned on as a backup to the trunked system.

                        155.13000 KJE262 RM 114.8 PL Capitol Police Primary Dispatch

                        155.49000 KJE262 BM 114.8 PL Capitol Police Secondary Dispatch (Capitol Square Units)

                        Richmond, Virginia

                      • #133357
                        Joe (G.W.N.S.)
                        Moderator

                          The James River is of interest.

                        • #133405
                          First Sergeant
                          Moderator

                            Lobby Day has happened for years. This is not some new event.

                            The only thing new is the planned demonstration.

                            There is no way that they can get 2/3 in both houses to get something pushed through. The GA and Senate don’t swap bills until the beginning of February.

                            If anything passes the Governor has to sign it and then it doesn’t go into effect until July 1.

                            FILO
                            Signal Out, Can You Identify
                            Je ne regrette rien
                            In Orbe Terrum Non Visi

                          • #133413
                            Joe (G.W.N.S.)
                            Moderator

                              Lobby Day has happened for years. This is not some new event.

                              I was aware of that.

                              The only thing new is the planned demonstration.

                              The regular attendees of this event isn’t the cause for concern.

                              The nut cases, useful idiots, instigators, etc…that is why running up some analysis of potential troublemakers is warranted.

                              Not to mention any out of state lunatics that show up.

                              There is no way that they can get 2/3 in both houses to get something pushed through. The GA and Senate don’t swap bills until the beginning of February.

                              Until Mike Q mentioned this I wasn’t sure of Virginia’s procedures.

                              If I was a Virginian my reaction to a threat of ban is different from a passed, but not in effect law.

                              Which is still different from a planned public demonstration of Armed Civil Disobedience while under a in effect law banning weapons.

                              Just some examples. ;-)

                            • #133563
                              D Close
                              Moderator

                                A group called The “Virginia Battle Buddies” issued a statement on Instagram. They respectfully disagree with VCDL regarding long guns in Richmond. VCDL advised their members against it.

                                “The VBB and VCDL diverge on one matter of opinion, we would like to reinforce that we are all on the same team- one team, one fight. Let us keep working together to make sure we are organized to win this non-kinetic fight, rather than let it devolve into an uncivilized brawl.”

                              • #133565
                                First Sergeant
                                Moderator

                                  Lobby Day has happened for years. This is not some new event.

                                  I was aware of that.

                                  The only thing new is the planned demonstration.

                                  The regular attendees of this event isn’t the cause for concern.

                                  The nut cases, useful idiots, instigators, etc…that is why running up some analysis of potential troublemakers is warranted.

                                  Not to mention any out of state lunatics that show up.

                                  There is no way that they can get 2/3 in both houses to get something pushed through. The GA and Senate don’t swap bills until the beginning of February.

                                  Until Mike Q mentioned this I wasn’t sure of Virginia’s procedures.

                                  If I was a Virginian my reaction to a threat of ban is different from a passed, but not in effect law.

                                  Which is still different from a planned public demonstration of Armed Civil Disobedience while under a in effect law banning weapons.

                                  Just some examples. ;-)

                                  Roger. Some stuff is worth repeating.

                                  FILO
                                  Signal Out, Can You Identify
                                  Je ne regrette rien
                                  In Orbe Terrum Non Visi

                                • #133879
                                  Max
                                  Keymaster

                                    Post what info you are hearing on attendance at lobby day. Normal attendance or in gear? Virginia or out of state?

                                    Ground truth in terms of mood of people where you live in Virginia? Chat.

                                    Sunshine Patriots or are people serious?

                                    Etc.

                                  • #133884
                                    First Sergeant
                                    Moderator

                                      Post what info you are hearing on attendance at lobby day. Normal attendance or in gear? Virginia or out of state?

                                      Ground truth in terms of mood of people where you live in Virginia? Chat.

                                      Sunshine Patriots or are people serious?

                                      Etc.

                                      People of all ages are planning on attending Lobby Day. This crosses racial and gender lines. Some are going visibly armed others are not. I have heard of people from out of state attending.

                                      Where I live people are pissed off, to put it lightly. To include the 78 year old women who initiated a conversation with me by stating what needs to happen to the governor and others. I wont repeat it here. Use your imagination. NG that I have talked to are saying that they will not participate and that they believe the feeling is mutual for the majority.

                                      Discussions are ongoing with local politicians to discuss short term and long term COA’s.

                                      People are having the necessary conversations and from their statements understand the possible consequences.

                                      People are serious. I don’t know how that would change if it goes hot.

                                      FILO
                                      Signal Out, Can You Identify
                                      Je ne regrette rien
                                      In Orbe Terrum Non Visi

                                    • #133888
                                      Short Stroke
                                      Participant

                                        I’ve only had a few conversations with people in Northern Virginia, but those conversations have been surprisingly positive. After my simple question “have you heard about the 2A Sanctuary movement” with some added detail (leaving out my opinion) of what I’ve heard, even non-gun owners responded with genuine shock, concern, and questions about what to do. If even one percent of Fairfax County gets serious about this, that’s over 10,000 people. I’m cautiously optimistic, but time will tell.

                                      • #133966
                                        rampantraptor
                                        Participant

                                          So far haven’t seen any Antifa mumblings about Lobby Day, the most I’ve heard from the hard right is some chatter from a few Proud Boys. At the moment it appears the primary political groups attending will be gun rights folks, militia, and patriot groups.

                                          My warning sirens will go off if I see chatter from Proud Boy, AIM, Patriot Prayer, etc. about attending because Antifa follow them around like flies on shit and vice versa. (As Joe notes, Antifa runs tighter OPSEC than the right-wing groups.) I’m not aware of any history of Antifa protesting gun rights rallies, in the US gun control is more of a progressive issue than a leftist one. If the non-VA crowd remains mostly militia and patriot groups I’d expect less interference from antifascists because they usually are of less interest to them.

                                          Then again this rally is gonna be a big deal so who knows what kind of attention seekers show up.

                                          I’m keeping tabs on my end.

                                        • #135414
                                          D Close
                                          Moderator

                                            Law Enforcement Agencies in Richmond

                                            Richmond Police Department
                                            http://www.richmondgov.com/Police/

                                            Virginia State Police
                                            https://www.vsp.virginia.gov/Office_Locations_Map_Div1.shtm

                                            Virginia Division of Capitol Police
                                            https://dcp.virginia.gov/

                                            Richmond Sherriff Office
                                            http://www.richmondgov.com/Sheriff/index.aspx

                                            Federal Bureau of Investigation
                                            https://www.fbi.gov/contact-us/field-offices/richmond

                                            BATFE
                                            https://www.atf.gov/contact/local-atf-offices?page=6

                                            • This reply was modified 1 month, 3 weeks ago by D Close.
                                          • #136728
                                            rampantraptor
                                            Participant

                                              Updates!

                                              Three members of Atomwaffen arrested, were making plans to attend VA Lobby Day rally. Included were an AWOL Canadian Army soldier who had been smuggled to the US by Atomwaffen.

                                              https://www.kare11.com/amp/article/news/crime/fbi-arrests-3-white-supremacists-ahead-of-pro-gun-rally/89-e64902bc-d58c-488f-af32-7aa536493dea

                                              Antifa Seven Hills is apparently planning to join the protests in opposition to the gun control legislation.

                                              https://www.vice.com/amp/en_us/article/akwv4k/why-antifa-is-siding-with-thousands-of-pro-gun-conservatives-in-virginia

                                            • #136794
                                              Abacus
                                              Participant

                                                Raptor’s Vice article about anrifa protesting alongside the gun rights folks led me to some of their other coverage. They claim that the governor’s weapons ban was prompted by so called militias threatening to “storm” the capital. Are there knuckleheads calling for such action or is this just fear uncertainty and doubt?

                                                Whatever is going on,this is shaping up to be a real dumpster fire.

                                              • #136797
                                                Joe (G.W.N.S.)
                                                Moderator

                                                  Are there knuckleheads calling for such action or is this just fear uncertainty and doubt?

                                                  I am sure if you dig deep enough into the bowels of the web you can find such nonsense, but those most capable of actually doing such actions won’t be found online in my opinion. In fact I suspect most of the die hard provocateurs are in fact paid directly or indirectly by various socialist elements, both state and non-state affiliates.

                                                  There are a group of relatively young wannabes talking tough, but I lean towards it mostly being the same tough talking “keyboard kammandos” that troll the net.

                                                  The problem is these wannabe tyrants have been believing their own boogeyman propaganda for many years. This makes for a potential for violence through both overreaction and deliberate instigation.

                                                  Remember we still don’t know who fired the first shot on Lexington Green!

                                                  So we’ll see what transpires.

                                                • #136800
                                                  Abacus
                                                  Participant

                                                    I figured there was a lot of online posturing going on but have not been into social media for a long time. I guess the VA government is taking the LARP brigade’s chest pounding seriously. Its bullshit since such bravado gives the state an excuse to lump legitimate complaints into the fringe bin. It also makes normal gun owners look like kooks by extension.

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                                                  • #136802
                                                    Joe (G.W.N.S.)
                                                    Moderator

                                                      It also makes normal gun owners look like kooks by extension.

                                                      I don’t think there’s enough people on the middle ground to matter, the majority of people have taken sides.

                                                      Besides this won’t be decided by polling or votes, delayed maybe, but not decided.

                                                    • #136839
                                                      rampantraptor
                                                      Participant

                                                        @Abacus
                                                        As far as Vice goes, they’re hardcore anti-gunners so they’re gonna say whatever it takes to make us look bad. If you want rebellious old-school Vice look up Popular Front.

                                                        I’ve been extremely critical of the pro-gun left in the past since they never show up to push against these shit gun laws, will be interesting to see how it goes. Seems Antifa Seven Hills is trying to downplay any talk of them fighting Nazis in Richmond, they’re also catching flak from some other leftists for siding with conservatives on this matter. According to their social media account they’ve tried to outreach to the VCDL to coordinate and deconflcit but haven’t gotten a response.

                                                        We’ll see if they behave. 🧐

                                                        Ongoing raids against The Base, looks like the feds are trying to hollow out the organization. Apparently some members discussed opening fire into the crowd at Lobby Day.

                                                        https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/478842-men-discussed-opening-fire-at-pro-gun-rally-in-richmond-say-officials?amp

                                                        You have chest seals, TQs, and Celox gauze in your IFAK, right?

                                                      • #136869
                                                        Robert Henry
                                                        Participant

                                                          Meet the new Lee Harvey McVey’s-

                                                          https://apnews.com/be1f537775593d49415a008f2639f39c

                                                          Maybe I’m just being a pompous a-hole but “highly skilled” doesn’t come to mind on first glance at these kids. “Meth dealers” yes, “highly skilled” no.

                                                          www.jrhenterprises.com

                                                          Lost my MVT class list- been here a time or two :)
                                                          Team Coyote. Rifleman Challenge- Vanguard

                                                        • #136879
                                                          Max
                                                          Keymaster

                                                            I have an info ops campaign ongoing on the Max Velocity Tactical IG and FB accounts. I have been seeing all these psyop attempts to deter people from going to Lobby Day. This makes all the more reason why you should go. Personal decision. Time to nut up or shut up. If things go wrong for whatever reason, and all that comes to pass is predicted, and we face false flag, mass roundup, Patriot Act mass roundups, run over by VSP ‘tanks’, machine gunned to death by CIA planes or whatever, then it is up to those who do not go to carry on the fight. This is nothing short of naked tyranny from Virginia. We know it all comes form Bloomberg / Soros anyway.

                                                            Latest from VCDL:

                                                            https://mailchi.mp/4445fdde53d6/va-alertimportant-request-we-need-to-fill-the-capitol-grounds-and-9th-street?e=3e4be5e2bd

                                                            They want to fill the Capitol Grounds with 10,000 unarmed Patriots. Then surround the fencing with everyone else who is armed. I still think going low pro concealed is the way. Personal decision. Wear plates if you can adequately concealed them i.e. not a tactical pouched PC stuffed under a jacket. IFAK. TQs. Respirator if you can get one, simply to get out if they start throwing gas at us. I know some people are bringing shears to cut the visibility fences around the Capitol Ground, given this this is probably unlawful (unlawful? hahahahahahhahahahaha) then I severely recommend don’t do that. Report all unlawful activity to your helpful and friendly VSP troopers. If you happen to report that Northam is acting unlawfully under the color of law, I would hope they would march into the capitol and arrest him. Seems simple, right? All we need are actual Patriots, not jackboots.

                                                            NO VIOLENCE. PEACEFUL. If someone pulls shit, then you need to get out of there. You will probably be moved by the crowd. Unless you are hanging back and observing.

                                                          • #136893
                                                            rampantraptor
                                                            Participant

                                                              Friendly reminder you might be able to top off your IFAK before the rally if you have Amazon Prime, just ordered some Israeli bandages and another CAT.

                                                              Got some ultra-pastuerized milk I can carry in my backpack for pepper spray, probably should grab some bottled water as well.

                                                              I’ll have to see if I can conceal my PlateMINUS carrier under my jacket. (Thanks for the tip Joe, it’s a nice rig!)

                                                              Since I’ll be driving from Baltimore I assume the enclosed area will be filled, but in case not any ideas if trauma shears would be considered a weapon? I know they’re good for airplanes.

                                                            • #136897
                                                              Joe (G.W.N.S.)
                                                              Moderator

                                                                Thanks for the tip Joe, it’s a nice rig!

                                                                :good:

                                                              • #136900
                                                                Joe (G.W.N.S.)
                                                                Moderator

                                                                  Recently the discussion of wearing MAGA hats came up for this event.

                                                                  Initially I was ambivalent.

                                                                  After some thought I think it’s a good idea. :yes:

                                                                  Why?

                                                                  First the media already associates MAGA hats with racist hate, which much of the public just tunes out at this point.

                                                                  So this could insulate some of the metric of racist gun owners at Lobby Day. MAGA has been overused and doesn’t have meaning to all but the most extreme Left.

                                                                  If something actually happens a video of MAGA wearing Trump supporters being engaged with crowd control methods or even gunfire would paint a unique picture to not only the the public at large, but to President Trump!

                                                                  How do you think President Trump would view his voters/supporters being attacked by Virginia LEA’s?

                                                                  If things go hot, having at the minimum a sympathetic President would be good.

                                                                  An outraged President would be even better!

                                                                  So I recommend wearing MAGA hats or similar color red hats.

                                                                  It maybe extremely valuable to the narrative. B-)

                                                                • #136901
                                                                  rampantraptor
                                                                  Participant

                                                                    The MAGA hats come off as a bit too sectarian to me but that’s an interesting take.

                                                                    Trump just recently tweeted about Virginia citing it as an example of Democrats trying to seize guns.

                                                                    If LEOs are photographed assaulting MAGA folks that could also bring the law and order conservatives who defer to police authority on our side as well. I’m sure the liberals would then proceed to cheer police brutality against MAGA folks as well, which would only highlight their hypocrisy.

                                                                    Update on the Antifa situation, they put out a statement regarding the previous Vice article due to the amount of criticism they were receiving from the left.

                                                                    In Response to VICE News: “Why This Antifa Group Is Siding With Thousands of Pro-Gun Conservatives In Virginia”

                                                                  • #136906
                                                                    Joe (G.W.N.S.)
                                                                    Moderator

                                                                      The MAGA hats come off as a bit too sectarian to me but that’s an interesting take.

                                                                      That’s where the option of a red hat could work. ;-)

                                                                      For me it’s about the narrative that could be built and a pissed off President on our side!

                                                                    • #136907
                                                                      JohnnyMac
                                                                      Participant

                                                                        I think there’s pros and cons. I see your point Joe, but I think it will be in Trump’s interest to support the protestors, MAGA hats or not.

                                                                        On the other hand, there are plenty of Americans that see someone in a MAGA hat and immediately dismiss them. That’s wrong of them, but my point is that the hat is stupidly divisive. The more allies (even if held at arm’s length), or even just those sympathetic, the better.

                                                                        I don’t think there’s a “right” answer

                                                                      • #136908
                                                                        rampantraptor
                                                                        Participant

                                                                          The MAGA hats come off as a bit too sectarian to me but that’s an interesting take.

                                                                          That’s where the option of a red hat could work. ;-)

                                                                          For me it’s about the narrative that could be built and a pissed off President on our side!

                                                                          Any of y’all vets got any veteran hats? Everybody gets pissed when our veterans are targeted.

                                                                        • #136914
                                                                          Joe (G.W.N.S.)
                                                                          Moderator

                                                                            Trump’s interest to support the protestors, MAGA hats or not.

                                                                            Sure, but that’s not the same as a President that wants Northam arrested!

                                                                            On the other hand, there are plenty of Americans that see someone in a MAGA hat and immediately dismiss them.

                                                                            Well first the best we could probably hope for is a third of participants in MAGA hats (real or similated).

                                                                            Anyone that would turn away because of hats isn’t an ally worth having.

                                                                            Remember the hats are about selling a version of events.

                                                                            A last point is there is high likelihood that any attack on participants turns into at least a short term conflict, one that brings a Federal response!

                                                                            Possibly involving elements of the Military. Who do you want sympathetic to us?

                                                                            The President or someone turned off by red hats?

                                                                            Any of y’all vets got any veteran hats?

                                                                            Wouldn’t hurt, but not as recognizable as MAGA hats.

                                                                          • #136915
                                                                            Joe (G.W.N.S.)
                                                                            Moderator

                                                                              Friendly reminder:

                                                                              Don’t assume good guys are good or bad guys are bad!

                                                                              Real life can be a lot more complicated.

                                                                            • #136916
                                                                              Joe (G.W.N.S.)
                                                                              Moderator

                                                                                Don’t assume good guys are good or bad guys are bad!

                                                                                How does this apply to Monday’s event?

                                                                              • #136917
                                                                                Abacus
                                                                                Participant

                                                                                  @rampantraptor

                                                                                  It is a Godwin’s law violation if there are actual NAZIs being idiots?

                                                                                  I hope the government is overplaying the threat, but know there actually are lunatics that think a civil war would be swell. You know, guys who don’t realize how much war sucks and how often revolutions eat their young.

                                                                                  It could be a legit threat, or it could be black propaganda intent of keeping folks from the event. My gut says its a bit of both at this point.

                                                                                  Good luck boys. Stay safe and be polite.

                                                                                • #136918
                                                                                  Abacus
                                                                                  Participant

                                                                                    I think there’s pros and cons. I see your point Joe, but I think it will be in Trump’s interest to support the protestors, MAGA hats or not.

                                                                                    On the other hand, there are plenty of Americans that see someone in a MAGA hat and immediately dismiss them. That’s wrong of them, but my point is that the hat is stupidly divisive. The more allies (even if held at arm’s length), or even just those sympathetic, the better.

                                                                                    I don’t think there’s a “right” answer

                                                                                    I think there’s pros and cons. I see your point Joe, but I think it will be in Trump’s interest to support the protestors, MAGA hats or not.

                                                                                    On the other hand, there are plenty of Americans that see someone in a MAGA hat and immediately dismiss them. That’s wrong of them, but my point is that the hat is stupidly divisive. The more allies (even if held at arm’s length), or even just those sympathetic, the better.

                                                                                    I don’t think there’s a “right” answer

                                                                                    One of the guys I work with owns a red hat the says “Relax its just a hat” in white letters.

                                                                                  • #136919
                                                                                    trailman
                                                                                    Participant

                                                                                      That Antifa post was a hell of a lot of blather..

                                                                                    • #136922
                                                                                      rampantraptor
                                                                                      Participant

                                                                                        It could be a legit threat, or it could be black propaganda intent of keeping folks from the event. My gut says its a bit of both at this point.

                                                                                        This would be a great opportunity for The Base to conduct a shooting attack, drive a U-Haul through the crowd, etc., they are an accelerationist group, if I were them it would be a perfect target.
                                                                                        If they can turn Lobby Day into Charlottesville 2.0 it would be a strong display of power. That being said seems awfully convenient that the media can tie Nazis to a 2A rally.😏

                                                                                        The Base has killed people in the past already so I have no qualms seeing them get nicked, fuck ’em.

                                                                                        @Trailman
                                                                                        Leftist discourse tends to be way too verbose and inaccessible to non-leftists, from where do you think I get my bad habits jk

                                                                                        More leftists than not were giving Antifa Seven Hills a ton of shit for “marching with fascists and white nationalists” so they felt pressured to put out a statement as quickly as possible to clarify their position. Talking about your decision to go to a gun rally with Vice News isn’t a good idea apparently.

                                                                                      • #136943
                                                                                        Max
                                                                                        Keymaster

                                                                                          I am tapping on my phone so this will be short. I think if you look about there are a lot of things coming to a head. Impeachment. Deep State. Possible stock market crash rumors – engineered by Soros?

                                                                                          Is the 20th a buffalo jump? Maybe. But we cannot be faced down by tyranny. Things seem to be coming to a head in multiple directions.

                                                                                        • #136944
                                                                                          Max
                                                                                          Keymaster

                                                                                            I am tapping on my phone so this will be short. I think if you look about there are a lot of things coming to a head. Impeachment. Deep State. Possible stock market crash rumors – engineered by Soros?

                                                                                            Is the 20th a buffalo jump? Maybe. But we cannot be faced down by tyranny. Things seem to be coming to a head in multiple directions.

                                                                                            In re: crisis actor ads over VA:

                                                                                            These are popping up everywhere. Amissville etc. They are also setting the tone and discussing a financial collapse. I have seen a few articles on it already today. Soros makes his billions by orchestrating and facilitating collapses throughout the world..it is what he does. That is why Bloomberg and Soros bought Virginia…it was an investment for a dual return. The WP also put out a PSYOP trash piece today to discredit Trump concerning B.S. from the Tank at the Pentagon to turn the military against…so they can use them. Northam is repeatedly tying 2A support to ALT-Right and White Supremacy.

                                                                                            We know that Northam and the Soros and Bloomberg and team is orchestrating this and they are throwing everything into it. They are already setting the stage and preparing the environment to receive the message. Nancy delayed sending the impeachment forward for the right timing of “the plan”. They want an event that will push America over the edge…and bring on a collapse. A financial collapse benefits the Dems and will be the only thing that would potentially impact a historic landslide win from Trump. Soros has been playing this game since the 90s. Look at Hungary…look at British Bank Collapse of the 90s..Greece…soros and the Bank of Thailand…Venezuela… etc..etc..the list goes on

                                                                                          • #136949
                                                                                            mtntopforge
                                                                                            Participant

                                                                                              Maybe this ain’t proper intell, but it’s a series of events and circumstances over time has everything to do with Virginia, it’s only a tiny piece, but it matters because it’s happened to many of us who ain’t afraid of the sonofabitches and don’t take council of our fears.

                                                                                              I’m heading to the rally. My mind, regardless of what the day brings, there is no way I’m going to stand by and do nothing. Been running my mouth for 14 years, all the crap they have tried to shut me up, I don’t know, somehow they think I will curl up in a ball and cry for my ninny bottle or something? Fuck that. They hacked thru my computer at home from an IP at the executive wing in 2008, had trolls in HughesNet North America IT operations who have never stop their stupid crap, armed badged legbreakers broke in our house twice, thats when we think they put in the home PC hack, they set up video camera’s in the vacant house next door to us filming my activities, sent a government van with the predecessor thugs of BLM to my house to threaten me, thankfully I got the drop on those 3 scumbags, because I followed you from the start Max and took your tactical advice and mindset to heart, they have tracked me across every comment platform, except for WP and what this blog system is I’m blocked from posting comments, thats been going on since 2008, impersonated, they sent a couple state police on my arse by feeding them fake intelligence I am some white nazi skinhead, I been impersonated on a number of blog commentary threads, twice right in front of my eyes, they shadow banned my dirt people blog, blocked commentary, deleted data and entire posts on it, then outright shut me down because I violated their comoonity standards, I can remember what all stupid dirty stinking commie BS trying to shut me up, starting years back when I was writing a a guest citizen journalist, shit, they followed me all the way to Romney the first time I took one of your SUT classes Max, what in 2012 or 13 Max? On the way up to your compound Max, they ran 6 strafing runs on me in the beetlebug going up 202 thru Virginia, from Warm Springs to Possum Trot, I’m talking tree top head on as I was going north, way below the 500ft deck limit, even had a C130 make a dead nuts straight run on one section that was open farm land, up that beautiful rift valley, they had a clown in an unmarked follow me from Marlinton WV into Va. Sending a message. Like so what clowns, you never scared me and you never will, your scum of the earth. Got me a real nice fat account of cold anger stored up.
                                                                                              They have never attempted to really hide any of it, no need, whose in the system gonna stop them, right? Not from the first when I was writing about obama starting in 2007, but at 2pm inauguration day 2008 is when it started serious, so they where looking at me real hard, long before the lightbringer was installed, cause of stuff I was saying in my research journalism, the FBI agents attached to the hacking case on my PC, crap they pulled on The Post & Email, Canada Free Press, and HughesNet operations, all high felony computer crimes, the agents where told off and shut down the investigation. We learned a lot that day from a little birdy. Its more fucking fucked up than you can fucking imagine. I think JFK said something to that effect. My wife saw them flying those fucking drones over our house like clockwork all summer 2008. They still send me little love notes on comment threads occasionally. The comment threads, social media, are absolutely polluted with these scumbag agent provocateurs Thick as thieves they are. Charlottesville was a dress rehearsal, they have had a lot of experience setting up this shit. It smells exactly like the same rat MO they went with in Burn’s Oregon. Squint a little bit and the minor detail variences don’t distract from your instincts and what your subconscious is trying to tell you. If two things I’ve learned with these jamokes is everything is connected, EVERYTHING, there are no unrelated spontaneous innocent circumstantial natural coincidences, and it’s a relatively small core network of main actors, everyone else is either a sycophant minion, or a mall ninja acting all front of the bus tin pot dicktator shit having fun with all the toys we all bought them, and when shit goes dead nuts bone in the teeth serious, the larger part of them are high tail outofheregone with their stockpiled ammo, night vision and full auto trunk carbines.

                                                                                              Now they want a piece of us Freemen. A piece they should get. 1775.2 1859. Tick. Tock.
                                                                                              They ain’t going to stop me. Got to kill me, and even then they can’t stop me. I refuse to comply. BFYTW.
                                                                                              Hopefully got my face towards lot of empty brass and a windrow of dead meat. We are all Kulaks now brothers. And we got ourselves some friendly Neo-Bolsheviks. It’s that circular feature history has. No forget that, no dirt nap first.
                                                                                              And that all begins with each of then its a lot of us, then they are toast. Kaput.

                                                                                              VLDC has a callout for at least 10,000 men for inside the cordon, at least 20,000 men outside.

                                                                                              It’s like ‘Horatius At The Bridge’ by Lord Thomas Babbington.
                                                                                              They made us kids memorize things in school like this back in the day. I’m probably the last of the last generation to do so. I forget a lot but never this. Lot of verses but these are a few of the best.

                                                                                              XXIV
                                                                                              Fast by the royal standard,
                                                                                                  O’erlooking all the war,
                                                                                              Lars Porsena of Clusium
                                                                                                  Sat in his ivory car.
                                                                                              By the right wheel rode Mamilius,
                                                                                                  Prince of the Latian name;
                                                                                              And by the left false Sextus,
                                                                                                  That wrought the deed of shame.

                                                                                              XXV
                                                                                              But when the face of Sextus
                                                                                                  Was seen among the foes,
                                                                                              A yell that rent the firmament
                                                                                                  From all the town arose.
                                                                                              On the house-tops was no woman
                                                                                                  But spat towards him and hissed,
                                                                                              No child but screamed out curses,
                                                                                                  And shook its little fist.

                                                                                              XXVI
                                                                                              But the Consul’s brow was sad,
                                                                                                  And the Consul’s speech was low,
                                                                                              And darkly looked he at the wall,
                                                                                                  And darkly at the foe.
                                                                                              ‘Their van will be upon us
                                                                                                  Before the bridge goes down;
                                                                                              And if they once may win the bridge,
                                                                                                  What hope to save the town?’

                                                                                              XXVII
                                                                                              Then out spake brave Horatius,
                                                                                                  The Captain of the gate:
                                                                                              ‘To every man upon this earth
                                                                                                  Death cometh soon or late.
                                                                                              And how can man die better
                                                                                                  Than facing fearful odds,
                                                                                              For the ashes of his fathers,
                                                                                                  And the temples of his Gods,

                                                                                              XXVIII
                                                                                              ‘And for the tender mother
                                                                                                  Who dandled him to rest,
                                                                                              And for the wife who nurses
                                                                                                  His baby at her breast,
                                                                                              And for the holy maidens
                                                                                                  Who feed the eternal flame,
                                                                                              To save them from false Sextus
                                                                                                  That wrought the deed of shame?

                                                                                              XXIX
                                                                                              ‘Hew down the bridge, Sir Consul,
                                                                                                  With all the speed ye may;
                                                                                              I, with two more to help me,
                                                                                                  Will hold the foe in play.
                                                                                              In yon strait path a thousand
                                                                                                  May well be stopped by three.
                                                                                              Now who will stand on either hand,
                                                                                                  And keep the bridge with me?’

                                                                                              XXX
                                                                                              Then out spake Spurius Lartius;
                                                                                                  A Ramnian proud was he:
                                                                                              ‘Lo, I will stand at thy right hand,
                                                                                                  And keep the bridge with thee.’
                                                                                              And out spake strong Herminius;
                                                                                                  Of Titian blood was he:
                                                                                              ‘I will abide on thy left side,
                                                                                                  And keep the bridge with thee.’

                                                                                              XXXI
                                                                                              ‘Horatius,’ quoth the Consul,
                                                                                                  ‘As thou sayest, so let it be.’
                                                                                              And straight against that great array
                                                                                                  Forth went the dauntless Three.
                                                                                              For Romans in Rome’s quarrel
                                                                                                  Spared neither land nor gold,
                                                                                              Nor son nor wife, nor limb nor life,
                                                                                                  In the brave days of old.

                                                                                              XXXII
                                                                                              Then none was for a party;
                                                                                                  Then all were for the state;
                                                                                              Then the great man helped the poor,
                                                                                                  And the poor man loved the great:
                                                                                              Then lands were fairly portioned;
                                                                                                  Then spoils were fairly sold:
                                                                                              The Romans were like brothers
                                                                                                  In the brave days of old.

                                                                                              XXXIII
                                                                                              Now Roman is to Roman
                                                                                                  More hateful than a foe,
                                                                                              And the Tribunes beard the high,
                                                                                                  And the Fathers grind the low.
                                                                                              As we wax hot in faction,
                                                                                                  In battle we wax cold:
                                                                                              Wherefore men fight not as they fought
                                                                                                  In the brave days of old.

                                                                                              And thats the way it is.
                                                                                              I’m afraid there’s no one to hold the bridge with me from my AO on Monday. Give it another try Sunday. If any of you guys are going and you want somebody to hold the bridge with you I’d be honored. Figure I’m heading out by myself way things are.

                                                                                              I’d go inside if somebody trustworthy could hold my gear for me on the outside. Shit really drops in the pot might come in handy if my gear was close by to be possibly re-acquired.
                                                                                              I know some of us are gonna have to die like LeVoy Finnicum and Branch Davidian’s before this is over, thats the nature of this war. So, be a comfort if somebody could tell my wife I died well if it came to that. I’d do the same for others. She understands.

                                                                                              My only really serious intelligence question is do they, I mean really and seriously, know they got a tiger by the tail here? Not trying to be funny, you know, intelligence, har har, seriously that too. Don’t got a crystal ball or nothing, but it’s not rocket science either. There’s such that thing called A Bridge Too Far. I think they are about to stick their dicks in a fucking meatgrinder. And they do not fully appreciate it for what it is.
                                                                                              But thats just me.

                                                                                              Anyways, hope you all fare well, and if I can help out in some way as shit augers in I will. We all got to stick together. God bless us humble Freemen, please. Watch out for our loved ones, and this great country, those trying to destroy it not withstanding. Amen

                                                                                            • #136998
                                                                                              JustARandomGuy
                                                                                              Participant

                                                                                                ….erm…what? :scratch:

                                                                                                Wait a sec…mtntopforge… you wouldn’t happen to be mtntoppatriot from back in ’13/’14 ish?

                                                                                              • #137008
                                                                                                rampantraptor
                                                                                                Participant

                                                                                                  Here’s the latest from Chris Hill, he’s head of III% Security Force out of Virginia, like a lot of milishuh leaders he does the vlogging while driving thing.

                                                                                                  The videos are pretty boring, usually just his interpretation of why this or that is unconstitutional, he does advocate for a red flag law though. 🤣

                                                                                                  A note that Hill’s group was ejected by the largest of the Threeper groups (Three Percenters – Original) over some of his rhetoric and remarks.

                                                                                                  I’m particularly concerned some of these out of state groups might have incentive to stir up trouble to bolster their own notoriety.

                                                                                                • #137169
                                                                                                  mtntopforge
                                                                                                  Participant

                                                                                                    Headed back, about 12:30, so far very peaceful, it would be total mayhem and an act of insanity the regime tries to false flag the rally, there is an almost electric underlying sense of an impending FUBAR event, though that seemed to have evaporated after the crowd began to get really large, I think we all surprised ourselves too, Minimal COIN appearing elements, they have 6 and tandem wheel trucks blocking certain cross and approach streets. A few roof top elements can be seen but they look basically “relaxed”. State police are fairly remote demeanor appearing early, looks like they become more at ease once the crowd fills the streets. No doubt they seemed pensive. then almost disappointed, but thats my radar talking and certainly my own perception, I took pains to observe that kind of outward appearances, and to try to be aware if sudden subtle change takes place, increase in use of comms, phones and movement. Again my personal observations, situational awareness and all.
                                                                                                    Great day and rally in Richmond for me, here by myself so decided to hoof it back and forth try to get an idea what my fellow American’s are saying to each-other as there is conversations everywhere that strike me as positive and constructive discourse, nice to see and hear, have to get a larger perspective, it’s starts out about 10F at 7:50am, not much breeze, once sun came over buildings the yellow glow shining on everyone really kicked up the positive attitude, very festive for many and the sense of solidarity and positive mindset is intoxicating, lot of Ladies about who are vocal, having a great time among dangerous armed men, they feel safe and part of patrimony, thats my first instinct, and these Ladies are very gagarious, almost everyone armed, heavy cloths hide many side arms but you can see what looks like printing thru lots of layers where you would carry concealed, appears many have lots of reloads and not just a few have combat first aid in some form, lots of smiles and respectful nods, probably 65% openly carrying and frankly loaded for bear, indeed, in the West armed civilization is respectful civilization, proof right here, it is awesome to be among this, everyone should be armed, and with swords and knives displayed tastefully too, I think it would change everything in positive and constructive ways, some obvious militia like groups appear pensive and highly wound, no doubt there will be many in all of the crowd who run towards any violence, lot of heads on swivels and eyes scoping, emasculation isn’t invited to this how-down, I’m slinging an AR15 10 inch barrel pistol with arm brace and sidearm and I’m lightly armed compared to a lot of people, seen a couple guys with big ass .50 cal rifles, can see Alex Jones in a jacked up block over, riding a “tank” with a bullhorn jacking up crowd, no way to count how many can’t see but maybe 10% in one place but its a shitload! local cops look like they are having fun too, State cops stern and reserved, bunch of road blocks and other blocking points, looks like they want to channel people it it goes kinetic, the dis-armed area looks a lot like it was designed to provide the smallest looking amount of people they way it’s laid out, no surprise there, I’m keeping back min one block from central target, mostly more, impressive number of county Sheriffs from 2A Sanctuaries in uniform attending, I’d say lot of off duty current employed law enforcement in attendance if “stereotype” appearance is reliable, media swarming CS’s, tell you what anyone crazy enough to start shit will get total idiot burger king crown of the last 248 years, can not emphasize the spirit or the patriotism, everyone having rational critical thinking discussions, I’m mostly cruising and getting a strobe effect on conversation as I pass people, but it makes you very proud, it’s MAGA and shitloads more, armed authority very polite and discreet, all looks like there will be no trouble, this is what wining not whinging looks like, what America is once you rip away the lies and false narratives, and without doubt it is clear why we are so reviled and held in such contempt, we will never be denied, no matter what bullshit they try. We got a long row to hoe, it is not impossible, the key is being armed, and prepared, no doubt on that. This is our savings grace and the center of our history. Every day I’m grateful forthe training and mindset from Max and all the other dedicated people, it really matters, like arms, the more the better in every way. Nobody can mess with us.

                                                                                                  • #137170
                                                                                                    gramma
                                                                                                    Participant

                                                                                                      Last night social media and MSM articles went ballistic with the hype, demonizing “normal gun owners” as white supremacists, and people got their knickers in a knot over Antifa posts about joining up with conservatives on this one issue – and dire predictions & speculation of massive violence and unrest started to reach the level of panic.

                                                                                                      I pointed out (to deaf ears) that today wasn’t going to be a shootout at the OK Corral, despite the real potential for things to go sideways in a heartbeat. Didn’t do any good. Those same panic’d people are still trying to validate their worst nightmares even though their was very little actual “excitement” to get fired up about.

                                                                                                      Today, I watched feed after live feed get shut down at various sites. And even worse spin start to come out of the official media sources. Glad I volunteered to relay first hand info, to be able to counter that. This was the most abhorrent spin I’ve seen; and it came out AFTER the crowd started to disperse. But it’s why first-hand info is SO important.

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