Student Review: 6 Day Combined Class (CTT & CP) Apr 2015: Leatherneck556

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    • #58198
      Max
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        Apr_2015_6_Day

        This year I decided to go to Max’s combined CTT CP 6 Day Class. The bottom line up front is that this is serious training for those who want to learn small unit tactics and patrolling.
        A little about myself and my intent with this review: I’m a former Marine Corps Infantry Officer, so I know a little about this kind of stuff. Because of that, I don’t want to focus on the day-by-day breakdown of exactly what happens during the class. There are plenty of other reviews that will tell you what you need to know in that regard. Instead, I want to give you my opinion of the training offered as somebody who has trained and operated professionally in this field.
        The first thing I will talk about is the training facility itself. VTC-WV is a solid training ground for this type of work. Max’s tactical ranges are exactly what I want I want to build on my own property. Trust me when I say that his tactical ranges are even better than a lot of what the US military offers for training its personnel. The terrain and target arrays have been well sited for the exercises that you will be doing.
        Speaking of the exercises, CTT was out of this world with regards to training small unit battle drills. I honestly wish all USMC Infantry privates were trained the same way that Max runs CTT. The Marine Corps has this tendency to run full-on rehearsal after rehearsal using dry fire across the actual range you will be running. It is unnecessary, boring, and a waste of time. Max runs his ranges a little differently: One “small-scale” dry run, and then the live run on the firing range. This allows for many live fire runs, which is very valuable for actually learning the drills. He starts small and builds from the individual level up to buddy pairs, then fire teams, and finally the squad. His lectures describing the techniques to be performed are clear and concise. Max cuts to the heart of the matter and ensures that everybody understands not just the techniques, but the underlying concepts behind the techniques. He then critiques each run to ensure that you know what needs work and what you did well. The final squad attack battle drill was a great deal of fun, and probably more practical than many similar ranges I ran while in the Marine Corps.
        Combat Patrol is a class that tackles a huge topic. It’s really hard to distill what could realistically be weeks of training into three days, but I think it’s safe to say that Max pulls it off with style. The class starts with a lot of lecture on patrol theory, and that is what I think sets him apart from similar trainers. I absolutely believe that you have to understand the theory before you move on to practical application. The lecture alone is probably worth the cost of the class. After the initial lectures, you move on to practical application with a wide variety of patrols and patrolling techniques to include danger area crossings, hand and arm signals, ambushes, raids, close target reconnaissance, patrol bases, and more. Again, Max has structured the drills so that you get the maximum training benefit from them and then does a post-range critique to squeeze everything possible out of the training.
        Guys, what I’m really trying to tell you is simply this: The training at MVT is the real deal. I’m dead serious. I have had Marine Riflemen show up after six months of training who don’t know as much about small unit tactics and patrolling as a sharp person will pick up after six days of training with Max. There is nothing groundbreaking here, and that is what is so awesome: No tacticool nonsense, just solid, professional training in real world fundamentals. I really believe that if you had a CUTT of guys who were fit and well-trained in basic rifle marksmanship, and if you sent them to these six days of training, then with the right leadership and continuing training you would have a force to be reckoned with. I can’t wait to see what Max has in store for his future SUT Leadership class. I will definitely be coming back for it.
        Leatherneck556

      • #58199
        Corvette
        Participant

          I have had Marine Riflemen show up after six months of training who don’t know as much about small unit tactics and patrolling as a sharp person will pick up after six days of training with Max. There is nothing groundbreaking here, and that is what is so awesome: No tacticool nonsense, just solid, professional training in real world fundamentals.

          I’ve have a similar observation.
          A sharp motivated individual can put himself at or above the level of many young activce duty Infantrymen with CTT CP at MVT.

          Young Troops in a training environment often only pay attention to their training with one ear and think about going to the barracks for a beer or a snooze (if they think at all).. Guess how I know.. :whistle:

          They certainly dont think about their training and they certainly dont get such quality nuanced instruction on the “why”.

          The combination of the high quality of MVT students and the high quality of Max’s training is a very powerful combination and I feel a Fireteam of MVT trained citizens would bring a lot of ability to the table that would surprise a lot Big Army/Big USMC folks.

        • #58200
          RRS
          Participant

            Proving once again that youth is wasted upon the young. No way I would have made the military a career but I look upon my time as not maximized, simply at times being a breather of O2 and not looking forward beyond what a young man looks forward to in life.

            A month or two ago a post by a guest commentator at a web site that will not be mentioned noted that one could learn SUT from anyone who had been in infantry. But this AAR should put to test the idea that you get what you pay for in life.

            I’ll say it again, it is about organization and order of training progression that made this perhaps the best $1000 I had total into this effort.

          • #58201
            DiznNC
            Participant

              I have said the same thing in the past. You CAN learn SUT from just about any good NCO who’s done this stuff, BUT, there are very few, if any, other guys out there with the total package that Max has here.

              As the OP pointed out, training techniques vary widely, even in the military, proving the old saw that just because you know how to do something does not mean you are any good at teaching it.

              Add to that, how many guys have access to the proper ranges to set this up. We had very few opportunities to do live fire on pop-up target ranges.

              Very good observation about actual military training. There are assumptions made some times about the quality of active duty training. There are widely varying differences, in time, place, leadership, and troops involved. Just because someone is former military does not make them automatically qualified to teach SUT. And, just because someone has never been in, does not automatically mean they cannot be as good as a veteran.

              In the case of MVT here, I think you have two things going for you. First off, Max is actually the complete package. He has the combat experience, the ability to teach it, and the facilities to do it in. Secondly, you have a highly motivated student base, who really want to learn this stuff.

              I agree with the assessment, that a well-drilled CUTT, of MVT alumni, would be on par, if not superior, to many active or reserve units out there.

              I know that will cause serious heartburn in some quarters, but none the less, it’s true.

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