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    • #131811
      The Hobbit
      Participant

        With the night training video, I have been wondering what if any tactics exist for effectively “operating” at night without nods. I know white light on the rifle is go to and I have one but I assume if you are worried about hostile parties, you do not want to be moving with lights on.

        So Max/Scott are there any techniques that can aid those of us that do not have nods?

      • #131822
        Max
        Keymaster

          It’s how we always used to do it. Fire at muzzle flash and maneuver. Use parachute illumination. I’ll see if I can find anything on YouTube.

        • #131824
          Max
          Keymaster

          • #131829
            Joe (G.W.N.S.)
            Moderator

              Combined with what Max already stated.

              Parachute flares can be of use in some situations, surplus ones tend to be outdated with some duds depending on storage history. New ones aren’t inexpensive.

              Note: Ensure you consider fire hazard conditions as these can easily start a major fire.

              Tracers can be used as a means to direct or prioritize team fire on targets from your rifle. Consider the type and conditions you would use them in. Point of fire to point of illumination can be quite far depending on type. Fire danger; while not as great as illumination flares, is still an issue.

              Never forget that military operations without NODS have been a reality and successfully accomplished for generations.

              • #131833
                Max
                Keymaster

                  NATO tracer lights up 100 to 1100 meters. Buying whatever you buy in the US, could be anything, with stuff lighting up right out of the barrel.

              • #131847
                Mike
                Participant

                  The million dollar question- Where could one obtain parachute flares?

                • #131917
                  Robert Henry
                  Participant

                    The million dollar question- Where could one obtain parachute flares?

                    Way back, we used to find all kinds of neat stuff like this at Knob Creek. But I haven’t been there in 20 years or so now.

                    Paragon had Canadian parachute flares for $8. each and Canadian smoke grenades at $12. each. We loaded up. All my buddies were buying ammo there, I told them “buy this stuff you never see versus ammo just cause it’s a few dollars cheaper.”

                    You used to be able to find misc. stuff like this randomly at larger gunshows also. Half of the battle is knowing what your looking at. When other’s don’t, you can often get some deals.

                    Shooting at night without nods is a lot easier than it used to be with just iron sights. A good illuminated reticle or dot sight will be very helpful. Honestly I wouldn’t use the flashlight in the field, more for a close range PID type of thing.

                    At night in the field without nods, span of control keeping your homies close will be important. Than it should be pretty obvious from the muzzle flashes who is who. Sounds pretty basic but when you figure most of us are going to be operating with 12 or less guys, not in company size formations, this does make span of control a little easier.

                    Training, it always comes down to training.

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                  • #131925
                    Mike Q
                    Participant

                      Another thing to consider at night is the type of ammo and flash hider you’re using. An A2 birdcage is the best at hiding the flash from a round at night. Simple, cheap, and effective. Anything else tends to throw a giant fireball and light up your and your buddy’s body right next to you.

                      Robert I think your problem at the night class last month is you were using BCM flash hider/comp on your rifle which is why you were throwing fireballs – that and your ammo choice…

                      The point is to go out and train with your tools at night to figure out what works or in many cases doesn’t work!!

                    • #131927
                      Joe (G.W.N.S.)
                      Moderator

                        The million dollar question- Where could one obtain parachute flares?

                        They appear on surplus market periodically, but the primary source today will be online and Marine and boating supply stores.

                        You want the ones that are rated for around a 1000′ deployment height minimum.

                        New ones aren’t inexpensive.

                        As much as $80.00 a flare.

                        The can be made, but most people are too damn lazy!

                      • #131930
                        Joe (G.W.N.S.)
                        Moderator

                          An A2 birdcage is the best at hiding the flash from a round at night. Simple, cheap, and effective.

                          The A2 birdcage is the best bang for the buck, however the Smith Enterprises Vortex is the gold standard IMHO.

                          Something overlooked is ammo and barrel length. Some ammunition produces a bigger flash than others. I am not talking about reduced signature ammo either, though that is also an option.

                        • #131931
                          hellokitty
                          Participant

                            You might want to be familiar with moon phases and weather. Bright moon phases are great for certain missions. Dark phases are great for others.

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                          • #131932
                            hellokitty
                            Participant

                              Also, the taliban seem to be able to fight a high tech military without NODs and flares.

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                            • #131933
                              Robert Henry
                              Participant

                                Another thing to consider at night is the type of ammo and flash hider you’re using. An A2 birdcage is the best at hiding the flash from a round at night. Simple, cheap, and effective. Anything else tends to throw a giant fireball and light up your and your buddy’s body right next to you.

                                Robert I think your problem at the night class last month is you were using BCM flash hider/comp on your rifle which is why you were throwing fireballs – that and your ammo choice…

                                The point is to go out and train with your tools at night to figure out what works or in many cases doesn’t work!!

                                See! I use a Mattel gun at one MVT class and what happens? The fires of hell shoot forth from my barrel! LOL

                                A couple people said it was a standard birdcage on there, but it does look different in a small way. Going to have to replace that.

                                I thought it was the ammo also but shooting it at dusk last night and Friday night with various rounds makes me convinced it’s the hider as you said. I need to get a flash hider/taper mount for it anyway, this is good impetus to get that done!

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                                • #132004
                                  First Sergeant
                                  Moderator

                                    I think it was a combination of both. That new Norma ammo you were shooting is a little hot.

                                    I have been meaning to text you about it.

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                                • #131934
                                  Joe (G.W.N.S.)
                                  Moderator

                                    You might want to be familiar with moon phases and weather. Bright moon phases are great for certain missions. Dark phases are great for others.

                                    This should be part of your IPB!

                                    Not that anyone actually has one. ;-)

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