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    • #126253
      Joe (G.W.N.S.)
      Moderator

        Well another pistol shoot!

        This time a classic by Col. Jeff Cooper.

        El Presidente

        Range: 10yd

        Target: three IPSC targets spaced 1yd from each other shoulder to shoulder

        Start position: back to targets, hands above shoulders (“surrender position”), pistol concealed

        Rounds fired: 12

        At the start signal, turn, then draw and fire two rounds at each of the three targets. Perform a reload, then fire two rounds at each target again. There should be four hits on each target for a total of twelve.

        MVT Online Shoots : Free Shot Timer Apps.

        As anyone here who has being following this forum knows we aren’t big into the high emphasis of timer use.

        It isn’t that such devices have no use, but far too many online place so much emphasis on timer use they have lost focus on true priorities.

        So why am I bringing this up?

        The MVT Online Shoots.

        There are some legitimate Drills that help measure your abilities that a timer is helpful. For our purposes a helper with a stopwatch would work. However since most today have many devices from phones to tablets and there are many free shot timer apps available for Android and iOS.

        So anyone may want to consider getting one of these apps for future MVT Online Shoots.

        ^^^^ Waht he said about timers. They have a place, the problem is when it becomes all about the timer.

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      • #126256
        Joe (G.W.N.S.)
        Moderator

          Note: Regarding targets, any human silhouette target is fun for our purposes.

          Don’t have any?

          The measurements are available online! Make your own!

        • #126261
          Joe (G.W.N.S.)
          Moderator

            Since this is also about having fun!

            Those that have concealable SBR/SBS/PCC/SMG or the various brace equipped firearms may want to do a bonus round and run it in addition to their standard CCW.

            Must at least be low profile discrete carry though and I understand if using a public range to simulate concealing such weapons to avoid unwanted attention.

            ;-)

          • #126972
            dave37
            Participant

              Best out of three from open level 3 retention holster was 7.22s.

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            • #126974
              Joe (G.W.N.S.)
              Moderator

                Best out of three from open level 3 retention holster was 7.22s.

                Assuming all “A” some hits or equivalent, anything under the 10 second par time is good.

                Note:

                And from Cooper himself, he believed a well executed El Presidente should sound like 6 evenly spaced shots followed by a lull for reloading, and then 6 evenly spaced shots again. However, most beginners sound like three double taps, a reload pause, and three double taps again. This is most likely due to trying to shoot too fast or not transitioning targets quickly enough.

                He was also against training for this drill, but used as a periodic skill assessment.

                Imagine that! ;-)

                Good job dave37! :good:

              • #126975
                globalpilot
                Participant

                  We run something similar.

                  Setup.
                  9 targets.
                  3 wooden blocks with 3 target numbers on the face that are face down and reshuffled (3card monte style).
                  2 mags with 4 in one and 5 in the other.

                  Standing facing the targets and flip the first block , draw and shoot in the order. Turn second block shoot in order (reload in this portion due round limits) and third block etc.
                  Timer is running to add stress.
                  The numbers are just random so its harder to spot the next target.
                  Targets are clustered and forces you to move of the x to get a clear shot.
                  Shooting moving and thinking wins.

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                  • #127014
                    Joe (G.W.N.S.)
                    Moderator

                      Beretta M9 with G conversion, 9mm Remington 147 gr JHP.

                      6.56 seconds shot cold (no practice) from AIWB with cover t-shirt. My standard CCW.

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                    • #127784
                      Joe (G.W.N.S.)
                      Moderator

                        Bump!

                        As anyone here who has being following this forum knows we aren’t big into the high emphasis of timer use.

                        It isn’t that such devices have no use, but far too many online place so much emphasis on timer use they have lost focus on true priorities.

                        So why am I bringing this up?

                        The MVT Online Shoots.

                        There are some legitimate Drills that help measure your abilities that a timer is helpful. For our purposes a helper with a stopwatch would work. However since most today have many devices from phones to tablets and there are many free shot timer apps available for Android and iOS.

                        So anyone may want to consider getting one of these apps for future MVT Online Shoots.

                        ^^^^ What he said about timers. They have a place, the problem is when it becomes all about the timer.

                        The App I use was free!

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