Max Talk 033: Why the 'Lone Wolf Operator' will Die (1): Breaking Contact

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    • #112867
      Max
      Keymaster

      • #112868
        Joe (G.W.N.S.)
        Moderator

          Really great choice Max! ;-)

          Should make for some interesting comments.

        • #112869
          JohnnyMac
          Participant

            Nice! I would think this is too irresistible for the armchair commando to pass up commenting on.

            In reference to the scenario, the hope would be that your initial fire is enough to kill/wound them sufficiently that they cannot/do not return effective fire. You’re forced to move without any cover fire, so there’s a decent chance you catch a round in the back.

            Is the plan for a part 2 to have a discussion about it?

          • #112870
            Max
            Keymaster

              Is the plan for a part 2 to have a discussion about it?

              Not really, my intent was

              (1) Pure mischief.
              (2) Make a high speed shooting video.

              Part 2 of this will probably be an assault version. I had a gopro version of that up a long time ago, using the two cameras will probably be better.

              Already a comment on the Tube: “plenty of time between position changes for any combination of 3 bad guys to shoot you.” That is obviously from either a guy who agrees with my premise, or who does not get what I was trying to show at all.

              Granted, you may get out if you can kill/suppress enough to not get shot in the back as you move. But you may also die.

            • #112871
              JohnnyMac
              Participant

                the two cameras

                Oh yeah, you reminded me, the camera down range did a pretty good job of picking up the cracks of the incoming rounds!

                :good:

              • #112872
                Joe (G.W.N.S.)
                Moderator

                  Granted, you may get out if you can kill/suppress enough to not get shot in the back as you move. But you may also die.

                  I am preaching to the choir here, but a “solo” has one thing going for them, stealth. Soon as shots ring out your betting on a piss poor opposition reaction!

                  A big gamble. :unsure:

                  One commenter mentioned smoke, sure why not. Couldn’t hurt if conditions are right for it. Tear gas, grenades, and WP too. ;-)

                  At best these are desperation moves and they better be military style since I have problems seeing anyone pulling out their Zippo under fire to light a fuse. :wacko:

                  Part 2 of this will probably be an assault version.

                  Hell I could probably make a good case for why attacking your four OPFOR is a better desperate option than breaking contact.

                  Don’t think the odds would be worse. ;-)

                  A good rebel yell and into the breach! :whistle:

                • #112873
                  RobRoy
                  Participant

                    A few accounts from Rhodesia had the “gooks” running away with the AK pointed backwards over the shoulder spewing the hate.

                  • #112874
                    veritas556
                    Participant

                      GREAT video! The 2 cam setup gave great perspective and is super useful on any future movement-type videos. Now if you can do literally the same video but with a buddy (the wife unit?) the point will really be made. Video 1 = the problem, video 2 = the start of a solution.

                    • #112875
                      Max
                      Keymaster

                        Kicking off in YouTube comments. Just what I wanted.

                        Grayman Tactics is butthurt. Does he teach lone wolf? Whoever he is, he must be a shitty trainer, as he does not understand the concept of a range and scenario, whether it is on my own property or not.

                        The point is that although I stated the lone wolf would die, of course I wouldn’t, because I am awesome LOL. But I am not sure how many of those lone wolves could actually run the drill as per the video.

                      • #112876
                        zeerf
                        Participant

                          GREAT video! 1 on the 2 cam setup as mentioned.

                        • #112877
                          Max
                          Keymaster

                            Did Grayman Tactical delete iomself after my response? Don’t see the comment?

                          • #112878
                            Joe (G.W.N.S.)
                            Moderator

                              Did Grayman Tactical delete iomself after my response? Don’t see the comment?

                              As soon as you mentioned it I went to check him out and comment was gone.

                              Sad, I really like outing a fools background!

                            • #112879
                              D Close
                              Moderator

                                The pauses between shot groups say it all. As soon as the loner is prevented from moving, it is going to be over. Find, fix, finish. You’ve been found. Once fixed, you will be finished.

                              • #112880
                                Hessian
                                Participant

                                  The porch sniper may have gotten the best of Max before he got his first shot off. Obviously the infamous porch sniper has a NIR and thermal blocking air conditioned ghillie suit (even the Predator from the scifi movies would be in trouble).

                                  But in all seriousness excellent video. You have quite a few comments and it looks like this might gain some additional traction that you were seeking. :good:

                                • #112881
                                  William Crowe
                                  Participant

                                    The pauses between shot groups say it all. As soon as the loner is prevented from moving, it is going to be over. Find, fix, finish. You’ve been found. Once fixed, you will be finished.

                                    Bold – Not to be morbid, but didn’t SF find this out in Niger (2017)?? Both were running versus bounding backwards with continued fire.

                                    Italics – ANYONE who has been through MVT’s CQB/F-on-F learns this …dispels the myth of fixed defense rather quickly…..

                                  • #112882
                                    Joe (G.W.N.S.)
                                    Moderator

                                      Not to be morbid, but didn’t SF find this out in Niger (2017)??

                                      Sad, but ultimately true. The greater the number of OPFOR and the limited cover/concealment reduce chances of survival.

                                      There are areas within my AO that have extremely dense foliage that would provide concealment within a single bound, but this is hardly the case for most.

                                      Obviously there are methods to increase odds minimally, but it is hardly worth getting into as it just increases the fantasy of the “lone wolf” as a option beyond anything than a desperate evasion scenario!

                                    • #112883
                                      dave37
                                      Participant

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                                      • #112884
                                        Civilianresponder
                                        Participant

                                          :yahoo:

                                        • #112885
                                          RobRoy
                                          Participant

                                            Maybe Grayman was Beehive Bubba Sniper from years ago and he still nurses a grudge?

                                          • #112886
                                            Daniel
                                            Participant

                                              Even with the pauses you went through some ammo. It was, what, 2 magazines for sure? That’s half or more of your load and the chase has hardly begun.

                                            • #112887
                                              Max
                                              Keymaster

                                                Even with the pauses you went through some ammo. It was, what, 2 magazines for sure? That’s half or more of your load and the chase has hardly begun.

                                                2 mags. 4 left.

                                                Interesting YouTube comments. Clearly there is a hive of non-tactical spider hole madness fantasy out there. Guys who have no training and experience.

                                                The guys who get me most are the ones with no comprehension of a live fire range or scenario. With cameras set up to film! They want to be 500nb yards out of shot in a spider hole sniper position. :wacko:

                                              • #112888
                                                Daniel
                                                Participant

                                                  Yes I saw some of those comments. They sure dug in hard and fast – no thought or consideration.

                                                • #112889
                                                  Anonymous
                                                  Inactive

                                                    Okay, I said I wouldn’t comment on the videos but this was a damn good one. Provocative enough to catch some attention, quick and on-point.

                                                    One commenter mentioned smoke, sure why not. Couldn’t hurt if conditions are right for it. Tear gas, grenades, and WP too. ;-)

                                                    At best these are desperation moves and they better be military style since I have problems seeing anyone pulling out their Zippo under fire to light a fuse. :wacko:

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                                                    The one night op I was on our assault team in Tabqa, one tilih (what we called our homebrew bombs) failed to explode, then another had the det cord pop out while I tried to get the tape off the end, then on a third my crappy regular lighter wouldn’t get the det cord lit so another guy had to run over and hit it with his storm lighter.

                                                    Would I want to deal with that alone with a squad of dudes hunting after me? Nopenopenopenopenope.

                                                    Only way you get out is if you have damn good cover while you fiddle with your bomb and/or the enemy is incompetent or hesitant to push forward.

                                                    Maybe some of the airsoft smoke grenades might work for a bit of concealment, don’t know enough about those to give a fair opinion.

                                                    A few accounts from Rhodesia had the “gooks” running away with the AK pointed backwards over the shoulder spewing the hate.

                                                    Can confirm this is something that is still suggested by folks in some third world countries. Not something I would want to do, though, unless I fully expect the enemy to be scared of inaccurate fire.

                                                    Maybe if they’re attempting to retreat (not assault!) in a dense urban environment a lone wolf could survive, but they’re fucked in open terrain.

                                                  • #112890
                                                    JustARandomGuy
                                                    Participant

                                                      The one night op I was on our assault team in Tabqa, one tilih (what we called our homebrew bombs) failed to explode, then another had the det cord pop out while I tried to get the tape off the end, then on a third my crappy regular lighter wouldn’t get the det cord lit so another guy had to run over and hit it with his storm lighter.

                                                      Would I want to deal with that alone with a squad of dudes hunting after me? Nopenopenopenopenope.

                                                      Only way you get out is if you have damn good cover while you fiddle with your bomb and/or the enemy is incompetent or hesitant to push forward.

                                                      Maybe some of the airsoft smoke grenades might work for a bit of concealment, don’t know enough about those to give a fair opinion.
                                                      ……….

                                                      @rampantraptor
                                                      Not to derail this topic, but I do have some experience with civilian level smoke grenades. They are 90% shit. But you knew that already…
                                                      The ONLY real option are the Enola Gaye EG18X (or any other WIRE PULL) smokes. The “18”-size smokes are big enough to give off a decent cloud of smoke, and the “X” means they’ll do so at a fast enough rate to actually be useful. From what I’ve seen of videos of real smoke grenades, they are still about 1/2-2/3 the duration and density of a mil smoke. You *could* also use the smaller “original”-sized wire pull version, but you’d have to toss a couple of them out to get a big enough cloud going, so unless storage space is a huge concern… not really worth it, just go with the 18X ones.

                                                      Anyway, aside from that the takeaway here is simple- wire pull smokes are WAY better than those shit-tier fuse-activated civ. smokes, but to deploy the thing you still have to…
                                                      >get it out of pouch
                                                      >pull ring
                                                      >chuck it
                                                      Which, if you’re by yourself… is still time spent NOT shooting back…

                                                      But I keep one on my kit anyway, because fuck it. B-)

                                                    • #112891
                                                      William Crowe
                                                      Participant

                                                        WELL DONE!!

                                                        Short, sweet, to the point!

                                                        Like having 2 different perspectives with cameras.

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