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    • #107449
      Joe (G.W.N.S.)
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        Lawmakers Want Army to Re-Dye Old Camouflage Uniforms With New Pattern

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        Lawmakers want the Army to finalize a plan to dye its pixelated Universal Camouflage Patterned uniforms and equipment to blend with the service’s new Operational Camouflage Pattern.

        The House Armed Services Committee’s subcommittee on readiness released its markup today for the proposed fiscal 2019 National Defense Authorization Act. The document expresses interest in technologies that would allow the Army to re-dye existing universal camouflage uniforms and equipment, with a particular focus on its never-popular, now-obsolete UCP camo.

        Krylon and a stencil kit?

        I shouldn’t be so skeptical, but I suspect even more money to be wasted on what has already been a major boondoggle.

        Not to mention delaying my source of $10 surplus dirty work uniforms. ;-)

      • #107450
        Roadkill
        Participant

          I just did my motorcycle,maybe I could get the contract on BDUs.

        • #107451
          Roadkill
          Participant

            Crap. Maybe this one.

          • #107452
            Anonymous
            Inactive

              Seems like the Army is going to spend as much money trying to figure out how to use Rit dye as they did designing the ACUs they’re using it on, nevermind they spent $17 million on those uniforms and threw out the test results… B-)

            • #107453
              A_A_Ron2guns
              Participant

                Idiocy. We’re in the middle of finalizing new plate carriers, armor, helmets and other gear. Just order it in the new scorpion pattern and phase things out. It’ll end up costing more to dye it than it would be worth.

              • #107454
                First Sergeant
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                  I remember that being talked about when we went with OCP.

                  Somebody had the brains to say that it would be cost prohibitive. Now they want to do it.

                  What a bunch of dumbasses.

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                • #107455
                  Anonymous
                  Inactive

                    Wouldn’t be surprised if the holdup was more about who will get the contract and how much can they screw the taxpayers out of this time rather than any difficulty with dyeing gear.

                  • #107456
                    Roadkill
                    Participant

                      When you’re riding in convoys does it really matter what your camo pattern is? If your in the bush, or other terrain that’s different.

                    • #107457
                      wheelsee
                      Participant

                        When you’re riding in convoys does it really matter what your camo pattern is? If your in the bush, or other terrain that’s different.

                        Reminds me of the debate on the color of fire engines (apparatus) in the 80s……white, red, lime green, etc. The best response (in Firehouse magazine) was by an old Fire Captain (Baltimore?? can’t remember now) was – “If you can’t see 28 flashing red lights, the color of the engine ain’t gonna matter” (regarding safety)

                      • #107458
                        Joe (G.W.N.S.)
                        Moderator

                          I dyed a set of these woodland green as a experiment several years back. The result was similar in appearance to the Desert Storm era night camo below.

                          Basically made them more tolerable for yard work for me. ;-)

                          I did use a set as a base for a ghillie, but used spray paint to dirty up visible portion.

                          I can’t imagine a process that would be acceptable for uniform appearance.

                          How many millions will it take for them to figure it out.

                        • #107459
                          First Sergeant
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                            Now just imagine what pouches, plate carriers etc. will look like when they try to dye them.

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                          • #107460
                            Abacus
                            Participant

                              This was actually a COA big army looked at back when the first started transitioning to OCP a few years back. Specifically it wanted to know if it could just add poo colored splotches to UCP and make something better than UCP and comparable ro multicam.l (not really). Then they wanted to try dying UCP web gear since there is still a lot of TA-50 in gravelpat laying around. Both studies, and a few more, were completed years ago. The proposals were reportedly soundly rejected as bad ideas. You can technically do both, but it looks like teash.

                              I can’t talk to how much we spent on the effort, but in my professional opinion, a test like that is not complex. It can be done on the cheap if you try hard enough. It could be done for under 1 million pretty easily.

                              My take is some congressional staffer either just now saw the SSD post about how the Army was looking into it years ago or they saw some “preppers” doing it on YouTube. They then put a bug in their bosses ear. That or it’s a case of the all powerful dye, salt, and vinigar lobbies.

                              Regardless, somebody really needs to send them the link to the study the Army did. Or, better yet, send them the follow up articles on the web that reference said study. Or the TL;DR version encapsulated here: “While you can dye UCP gear, it does not work very well and is therefore a bad idea.”

                            • #107461
                              First Sergeant
                              Moderator

                                This was actually a COA big army looked at back when the first started transitioning to OCP a few years back. Specifically it wanted to know if it could just add poo colored splotches to UCP and make something better than UCP and comparable ro multicam.l (not really). Then they wanted to try dying UCP web gear since there is still a lot of TA-50 in gravelpat laying around. Both studies, and a few more, were completed years ago. The proposals were reportedly soundly rejected as bad ideas. You can technically do both, but it looks like teash.

                                I can’t talk to how much we spent on the effort, but in my professional opinion, a test like that is not complex. It can be done on the cheap if you try hard enough. It could be done for under 1 million pretty easily.

                                My take is some congressional staffer either just now saw the SSD post about how the Army was looking into it years ago or they saw some “preppers” doing it on YouTube. They then put a bug in their bosses ear. That or it’s a case of the all powerful dye, salt, and vinigar lobbies.

                                Regardless, somebody really needs to send them the link to the study the Army did. Or, better yet, send them the follow up articles on the web that reference said study. Or the TL;DR version encapsulated here: “While you can dye UCP gear, it does not work very well and is therefore a bad idea.”

                                That’s what I remember reading about when all this first came out.

                                Were you involved with the test?

                                FILO
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                              • #107462
                                Abacus
                                Participant

                                  I was not involved in that test. But, I am am a test guy and a gear/equipment nerd so I paid a lot of attention to the cammo cluster saga. I am still waiting for the DoD to unscrew that particular pooch.

                                • #107463
                                  First Sergeant
                                  Moderator

                                    I was not involved in that test. But, I am am a test guy and a gear/equipment nerd so I paid a lot of attention to the cammo cluster saga. I am still waiting for the DoD to unscrew that particular pooch.

                                    Roger.

                                    As to your last sentence, ain’t we all.

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                                  • #107464
                                    Abacus
                                    Participant

                                      Well, we all got an email from the CSAF this morning about switching to OCPs. I won’t post that, but SSD has the folowing coverage CSAF Announces Transition To Operational Camouflage Pattern For US Air Force. SSD’s stuff seems to be pretty close to the official version posted on the CAC required site called myPers.

                                      It figures though, I just picked up my new super nerd badges for the old uniform last week, and my new green boots are less than 4 months old.

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