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    • #77128
      Joe (G.W.N.S.)
      Moderator

        (All Open Source Data)

        Disinformation
        Biased Media: Television News, Newspapers, Television Entertainment, and Entertainment Movie Industry.

        Human Threats:

        Provocateurs: is an undercover agent who acts to entice another person to commit an illegal or rash act or falsely implicate them in partaking in an illegal act. An agent provocateur may be employed by the police or other entity to discredit or harm another group (e.g., peaceful protest or demonstration) by provoking them to commit an act – thus, undermining the protest or demonstration as whole.

        Sleeper Agent: is a spy who is placed in a target country or organization, not to undertake an immediate mission, but rather to act as a potential asset if activated.

        Confidential Informants:
        is a person who provides privileged information about a person or organization to an agency.

        Measurement and Signature Intelligence (MASINT) Threats: is scientific and technical intelligence information obtained by quantitative and qualitative analysis of data (metric, angle, spatial, wavelength, time dependence, modulation, plasma, and hydromagnetic) derived from specific technical sensors for the purpose of identifying any distinctive features associated with the source, emitter, or sender and to facilitate subsequent identification and/or measurement of the same.

        Imagery Intelligence (IMINT): is an intelligence gathering discipline which collects information via satellite and aerial photography.

        Signals Intelligence (SIGINT): is intelligence-gathering by interception of signals, whether between people (“communications intelligence”—COMINT) or from electronic signals not directly used in communication (“electronic intelligence”—ELINT), or a combination of the two. As sensitive information is often encrypted, signals intelligence often involves the use of cryptanalysis. Also, traffic analysis—the study of who is signaling whom and in what quantity—can often produce valuable information, even when the messages themselves cannot be decrypted.

        Technical Intelligence (TECHINT): is intelligence about weapons and equipment used by the armed forces or in our case us.

        Collection Organizations:

        Law Enforcement:

        Local 461,063 Personnel*
        2013 update 477,000 Personnel

        Sheriff Offices 182,979 Personnel*
        2013 update 189,000 Personnel

        State 60,772 Personnel*
        2013 update 84,340 Personnel

        Total: 704,814 Personnel
        2013 update 750,340 Personnel

        Federal

        DHS:

        DHS 1,708 Personnel
        2017 Budget update 3,238 Personnel

        DHS INTEL Analyst 852 Personnel
        2017 Budget update 791 Personnel

        OIG 681 Personnel
        2017 Budget update 461 Personnel

        CITIZENSHIP AND IMMIGRATION SERVICES 13,151 Personnel
        2017 Budget update 17,160 Personnel

        UNITED STATES SECRET SERVICE 6,681 Personnel
        2017 Budget update 6,675 Personnel

        TSA 56,581 Personnel
        2017 Budget update 51,558 Personnel

        Federal Air Marshal Service 828 Personnel
        By 2017 Combined with TSA Personnel

        SURFACE TRANSPORTATION SECURITY 720 Personnel
        2017 Budget update 761 Personnel

        TRANSPORTATION SECURITY SUPPORT 2,157 Personnel
        2017 Budget update 1,737 Personnel

        ICE 19,192 Personnel
        2017 Budget update 19,701 Personnel

        CUSTOMS AND BORDER PROTECTION 51,811 Personnel
        2017 Budget update 50,428 Personnel

        USCG 40,832 Personnel
        2017 Budget update 40,669 Personnel

        Federal Protective Service (FPS) 1,302 Personnel
        2017 Budget update 2,085 Personnel

        FEMA 12,174 Personnel
        2017 Budget update 10,165 Personnel


        DHS Total:
        208,670 Personnel
        2017 Budget update 205,429 Personnel

        DOJ:

        U.S. Marshals 5,090 Personnel
        2017 Budget update 5,323 Personnel

        FBI 33,292 Personnel
        2017 Budget update 33,024 Personnel

        DEA 6,969 Personnel
        2017 Budget update 6,613 Personnel

        BATFE 4,876 Personnel
        2017 Budget update 5,268 Personnel

        DOJ Total: 50,197 Personnel
        2017 Budget update 50,228 Personnel

        Other Armed Federal Employees: 56,342 Personnel
        2017 Budget update 63,478 Personnel


        Federal Civilian Total:
        315,209 Personnel
        2017 Budget update 325,748 Personnel

        Military 2014 Fiscal Year End strength numbers 1,364,400 personnel

        Army 520,000 Personnel
        2017 Budget update 460,000 Personnel

        Navy 323,600 Personnel
        2017 Budget update 322,900 Personnel

        Marines 190,200 Personnel
        2017 Budget update 182,000 Personnel

        Air Force 327,600 Personnel
        2017 Budget update 317,000 Personnel

        (Yes I know numbers don’t match, it’s the U.S. Budget)

        National Guard and Reserve personnel 833,700 Personnel
        2017 Budget update 801,200 Personnel

        Total Military: 2,198,100 Personnel
        2017 Budget update 2,083,100 Personnel


        Combined Total: 3,218,123 Personnel
        2017 Budget update 3,159,188 Personnel

        *2008 State & Local LEO Census numbers
        All other numbers are from the Fiscal Year 2014 U.S. Budget Appendix

      • #77129
        D Close
        Moderator

          GWNS, So, roughly leas than 1% of the US population is involved in law enforcement or military. Numbers make it obvious the only way control is maintained is with consent. Post-SHTF not sure that will be so forthcoming.

        • #77130
          Corvette
          Participant

            DClose said it well…

            Also, when you break out the numbers the bulk of thew non-military personnel are “local” LEO, many of which can reasonably be expected to side with the people.

            And much of the military personnel is National Guard the majority of which can also be expected to stand with the people.

            So the total number of armed agents that could be readily used against “We the People” is actually quite small.

          • #77131
            Thomas
            Participant

              This is excellent and useful information, however, it is only one piece of the threat picture.

              While the actual number of armed agents is small, their support infrastructure is vast and difficult to (redacted by Admin). Intelligence and logistics capabilities for these agents is a force multiplier that is both significant and difficult for freefor to counter.

            • #77132
              Joe (G.W.N.S.)
              Moderator

                GWNS, So, roughly leas than 1% of the US population is involved in law enforcement or military. Numbers make it obvious the only way control is maintained is with consent. Post-SHTF not sure that will be so forthcoming.

                Yep, it definitely explains their level of fear.

                So the total number of armed agents that could be readily used against “We the People” is actually quite small.

                Exactly.

                Intelligence and logistics capabilities for these agents is a force multiplier that is both significant and difficult for freefor to counter.

                Definitely don’t want to underestimate Government in a Hypothetical power grab, however this demonstrates it’s not quite as bad as some would make it out to be.

                This also demonstrates what OSINT can provide, this type of data is readily available now, don’t miss the opportunity while it’s easy to find.

              • #77133
                Max
                Keymaster

                  Reply not Max

                  It’s a useful exercise to come up with similar numbers for one’s own AO. Also, see what you can come up with as far as how they are organized/based/equipped. One thing to keep in mind, especially with police organizations, is they operate in shifts. Divide numbers by 3 and subtract (x) percent for administrative support and that gives you the numbers on the street on any given day. It’s also useful to divide by population and by area.

                • #77134
                  Joe (G.W.N.S.)
                  Moderator

                    It’s a useful exercise to come up with similar numbers for one’s own AO. Also, see what you can come up with as far as how they are organized/based/equipped.

                    A good place to start is County and City Budgets. Many of these will break it down by admin, patrol, and specialties. Don’t forget Guard and Reserve Units, State Police Barracks, etc…

                    An overlooked area is gangs and other organized crime groups. Many jail sites will have bookings and mugshots which could be of use. Sexual Predator lists for your area may also be useful.

                    Local Politicians and various Departments etc…

                    Know your area!

                  • #77135
                    Joe (G.W.N.S.)
                    Moderator

                      I thought This might be worth revisiting.

                      Many new members since this was posted. :yes:

                    • #77136
                      Corvette
                      Participant

                        Thanks GWNS – I missed it first time round.

                        The numbers ratio reminded me of this picture.

                        http://crazyhyena.com/horse-tied-to-plastic-chair-mental-chains

                      • #77137
                        Joe (G.W.N.S.)
                        Moderator

                          The numbers ratio reminded me of this picture.

                          Great example, against a few the Government is a Leviathan, but is in reality a Paper Tiger to the whole!

                        • #77138
                          Andrew
                          Participant

                            I would caution against down playing the ratio because the admin/Intel OPFOR enjoys is significant.

                            In the early 90’s, I was shanghaid to work in a place called FinCen. The Financial Crimes Enforcement Center. The computer data bases they had access to back then were phenomenal. They were also among the first to use artificial intelligence to create various types of relationship matrices.

                            If you are unfortunate enough to live in a state (Virginia) that uses your SSN as a DL you can be identified instantly and from there it is a handful of keystrokes to run that information through all sorts of law enforcement and commercial data bases.

                            I’m sure that everything is much more sophisticated now with even more information available.

                          • #77139
                            Joe (G.W.N.S.)
                            Moderator

                              Annual bump for new members.

                              Although this data is from the 2014 budget, the message is still valid and worth remembering.

                            • #77140
                              Anonymous
                              Inactive

                                If things ever get Rex 84-style crazy, State Defense Forces could be a factor as well, even though they tend to be small and unarmed they’re still comparable in size to some police departments and some could be a significant force multiplier in-state. Not sure what the numbers are nationwide, the Wikipedia page on SDFs is one of the ones I try to keep in working order, I should probably add a column to denote troop strength, could be useful to know.

                              • #77141
                                Anonymous
                                Inactive

                                  Stupid me, Google is my friend.

                                  http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2012/02/why-more-states-should-establish-state-defense-forces

                                  According to the Heritage Foundation, in 2005 their troop strength was 14,000 strong. Still could use more recent numbers, some states have stood up SDFs since then, others have gutted them.

                                • #77142
                                  Corvette
                                  Participant

                                    I remember reading somewhere long ago that when Anne Frank and her family were arrested, it was conducted by one Gestapo agent leading a force of local Dutch police. In France the local Vichy Milice happily rounded up jews for the germans. Cops are only human, subject to all sorts of pressure and frankly to most it is just a way to pay the bills. Plus the feds are very good at selling a line of BS to the locals.

                                  • #77143
                                    jane
                                    Participant

                                      This is why you need to look at all government dependents with a jaundiced eye. If someone is dependent upon the government for their livelihood, they simply cannot be trusted. VERY few will fight for the cause of liberty and true justice if that means losing their jobs, pensions, retirement, etc.

                                    • #77144
                                      Joe (G.W.N.S.)
                                      Moderator

                                        Interesting to note the following had significant reduction in Personnel.

                                        DHS INTEL Analyst 852 Personnel
                                        2017 Budget update 791 Personnel

                                        OIG 681 Personnel
                                        2017 Budget update 461 Personnel

                                        TSA 56,581 Personnel
                                        2017 Budget update 51,558 Personnel

                                        TRANSPORTATION SECURITY SUPPORT 2,157 Personnel
                                        2017 Budget update 1,737 Personnel

                                        CUSTOMS AND BORDER PROTECTION 51,811 Personnel
                                        2017 Budget update 50,428 Personnel

                                        FEMA 12,174 Personnel
                                        2017 Budget update 10,165 Personnel

                                        DEA 6,969 Personnel
                                        2017 Budget update 6,613 Personnel

                                        Thoughts?

                                        How does this compare with the increases in other Agencies?

                                      • #77145
                                        Corvette
                                        Participant

                                          Thoughts?

                                          Why obsess about the one percent of Oligarchy’s pawns…….better to be concerned shit’less about the other 99%

                                        • #77146
                                          Joe (G.W.N.S.)
                                          Moderator

                                            Why obsess about the one percent of Oligarchy’s pawns…….better to be concerned shit’less about the other 99%

                                            One of the things I’ve been asked to do is teach Intelligence methods, this is partially accomplished by encouraging analysis of data.

                                            There are indicators available in the above data.

                                          • #77147
                                            hellokitty
                                            Participant

                                              One thing I noticed is the reduction is in the 2017 budget, not actual. Will they actually reduce force? I am familiar with how to get around budgets and RIF. You use sub contractors. Why? It doesn’t count as personnel. It makes the bean counters happy. It costs more money but the numbers look good. So I am skeptical. They could however have a hiring freeze and let attrition reduce the force.

                                              Also there seems to be a larger reduction in OIG and FEMA which would have more bureaucrats and less officers.

                                              HEAT 1(CTT) X 3
                                              HEAT 2 (CP) X1
                                              FOF X3
                                              OPFOR X2
                                              CLC X2
                                              RIFLEMAN

                                            • #77148
                                              Corvette
                                              Participant

                                                Joe (G.W.N.S.)

                                                Thanks……and sorry.

                                                Question: Is it prudent to assume that this is to some degree relevant and/or impact-full to the density of humans in a given geographic area ???

                                              • #77149
                                                eggleston
                                                Participant

                                                  How much unified combat power could the Fed , State & Local “Authorities” apply to this country during significant unrest ? Judging from the ghettoes of Baltimore / Wash DC, not much . Hood Rats seem to run at large unhindered by LE . Even with the assistance of Big Army this is a big country .

                                                • #77150
                                                  Joe (G.W.N.S.)
                                                  Moderator

                                                    You use sub contractors.

                                                    I suspect this will apply particularly to FEMA support and operations.

                                                    …there seems to be a larger reduction in OIG and FEMA…

                                                    FEMA has been outed for any real nefarious purposes, hence it will not really be of use for tinfoil operations. Besides does anyone believe they really want to help in a crisis beyond relocation?

                                                    The OIG is an interesting example.

                                                    In the United States, the Office of Inspector General (OIG) is a generic term for the oversight division of a state or federal agency, aimed at preventing inefficient or illegal operations within their parent agency. Such offices are attached to many federal executive departments, independent federal agencies, as well as state and local governments. Each office includes an Inspector General (or I.G.) and employees charged with identifying, auditing, and investigating fraud, waste, abuse, embezzlement and mismanagement of any kind within the parent agency.

                                                    Giving what we have learned through Wikileaks and even the recently released FBI HRC documents. Would the current or the Socialists succesor for President want such oversight?

                                                    Is it prudent to assume that this is to some degree relevant and/or impact-full to the density of humans in a given geographic area?

                                                    Well as noted in the original replies they simply do not have the manpower to control an even small percentage of the population should they decide to not comply. Densely packed areas are more easily isolated, but can only be pushed so far due to the “Mob Effect.”

                                                    How much unified combat power could the Fed , State & Local “Authorities” apply to this country during significant unrest?

                                                    I think the IRA example is illustrative, active IRA insurgents (terrorist or combatants depending on point of view, terrorist IMHO) never exceeded a few hundred. Yet a well equipped and funded effort by the UK failed to stop it.

                                                    An isolated few are easily overwhelmed, but properly dispersed they simply do not have the numbers. Particularly when much of the personnel would not support them in active, passive, and disinterested means.

                                                    Overall these reductions seem to point at reducing oversight, security, and preparedness. Selective enforcement of current Laws is also relevant.

                                                    When examining these numbers it is easy to see why Federal control of Local, County, and State LEO’s is so high on their wish list.

                                                  • #77151
                                                    Andrew
                                                    Participant

                                                      In the numbers above, like for OIG and TSA, are large portion of those folks won’t be gun toters. On the other hand some of the cuts will be admin staff and not impact on enforcement abilities.

                                                      It would be useful to see how many of them would actually be gun toters, with arrest powers. I cannot remember what Border Patrol Agents were, maybe GS-1886, but I know that HSI, FBI, and DEA agents were GS-1811s.

                                                      CBP folks at the Ports of Entry, while being gun toters, are another breed entirely, unless that changed with the merger of Customs and INS.

                                                    • #77152
                                                      Joe (G.W.N.S.)
                                                      Moderator

                                                        It would be useful to see how many of them would actually be gun toters, with arrest powers.

                                                        I am working on that, but it takes quite a bit of digging into various OSINT material to find. Of course in many ways it doesn’t matter since even if all of them were, they already lack sufficient numbers.

                                                        Another thing to remember; I know Andrew understands this, is that good Analysts and Forensics types are more of a threat in many ways, since without this resource there is limited targeting capability in this as yet hypothetical situation.

                                                      • #77153
                                                        HiDesertRat
                                                        Participant

                                                          So the biggest percentage drop was OIG at 32%. next, in order of lesser magnitude is ‘transportation security support’ (“TSS”) at 19% down. Followed by FEMA, at 16.5% less, our beloved TSA only down 8%, and Customs/Border folks a measly 2%. My thoughts are the last of the great graft and elite crime spree will occur on this diminished OIG agencys’ watch, and then the collapse will ensue. The ‘TSS’, had to look them up, I think they analyze threats for the TSA to deal with, not quite sure, knowing that we have established Muslim Brotherhood members within the security apparatus of our government, this could mean a 5th column working within a diminished organization, and release or withhold info that will result in terroist attacks. Their excuse will be ‘ well, you took our funds’ quoted from Abdul Adbul Mohammed, chief of analysis. FEMA down, despite the populace thinking FEMA is a disaster ( well it is in some respects) related organization, its main purpose many are not aware of, is continuity of government when the SHTF. They don’t have your best interests at heart. The border/ICE folks well despite all their best intentions have been ordered to basically stand down, and they did, so they been marginalized and no longer an issue.

                                                          So thats what I conjured up.

                                                        • #77154
                                                          HiDesertRat
                                                          Participant

                                                            Oh, forgot to mention since FEMA is about continuity of gov’t, perhaps they don’t care about the ‘present form’ of gov’t, so no need to worry about its longevity. For me that is particularly troublesome, as we all know, gov’t, politicians, all their ilk, want more, bigger, everything to sustain and increase their numbers. Since this is a rather large cutback, maybe the ‘inner elite’ are gonna throw some of their other, not so equal elites under the bus, so there are less mouths to feed at the increasingly shrinking trough. The music only plays for so long. And then…oh Honey, where is our chair?

                                                          • #77155
                                                            Andrew
                                                            Participant

                                                              Analysts and Forensics types are more of a threat in many ways, since without this resource there is limited targeting capability in this as yet hypothetical situation.

                                                              Once they get your DL or SSN you are basically screwed. The data bases they have access to are unbelievable. Lexs/Nexis, computerized property records, and on an on. Same with your phone bills. Analysis of phone records and link charts are almost totally computerized now.

                                                            • #77156
                                                              Joe (G.W.N.S.)
                                                              Moderator

                                                                Combined overall is down by 58,935.

                                                                115,000 of that is Military reductions.

                                                                Local, County, and State LEO is up by 45,526.

                                                                Federal LEA overall increased by 10,539 and 7,136 of that is other Federal, like Health and Human Resources that are armed.

                                                              • #77157
                                                                Joe (G.W.N.S.)
                                                                Moderator

                                                                  Once they get your DL or SSN you are basically screwed.

                                                                  I was thinking more along the lines of someone who is doing countermeasures correctly requiring more extensive measures to be identified, hence increased difficulty in tying them to others.

                                                                  In such circumstances I certainly won’t be carrying Identification that links to my real identity.

                                                                • #77158
                                                                  Andrew
                                                                  Participant

                                                                    RE: Countermeasures. Good luck. Here’s some stuff that’s been posted in the last few days at Wirecutter’s and WRSA.

                                                                    Finally the Justice Department stipulated (without naming any names) that at least nine occupiers were undercover informants; a number greater than the number of defendants on trial. (Heavily redacted documents in the hands of the defense suggest the number of informants was actually at least 15.)

                                                                    Significantly, the prosecution’s most damning evidence collapsed at the end of the trial when it was revealed that the man who ran a militia shooting range at the Malheur Refuge was himself an undercover agent. Through the hard work of defense lawyers, “John Killman” was identified as a paid (“reimbursed,” he said) informant who traveled to the occupation at the behest of the government in a beat-up pickup truck to lead the occupiers in combat “safety” training. “Killman” had even trained defendant Jeff Banta to stop cars and pull out their drivers at gunpoint.

                                                                    The Persecution of the Bundy Good Guys

                                                                    http://lifehacker.com/5845900/how-to-use-the-internet-to-investigate-your-next-date-co-worker-or-new-friend-to-ensure-theyre-not-crazy

                                                                    “How The FBI Infiltrates Movements—And What You Can Do To Stop Them”

                                                                    “Are There Informants in Your Group?”

                                                                    “How Your Group Loudmouth Can Get You FBI Attention”

                                                                    https://westernrifleshooters.wordpress.com/2016/10/25/this-material-will-be-on-the-final-exam/

                                                                    I have NOT had time to read all the links, so I cannot tell if it is all relevant or not.

                                                                    Furthermore, given recent headlines that ICE is staking out gun dealer’s locations and taking pictures of license plates you might want to consider they are doing it at local firing ranges.

                                                                    The gubermint has cameras at every, (read that again…EVERY) checkpoint along the borders and some on interstate (and even some state highways) that will take pictures of not only your vehicle, but the occupants, as you pull up to be inspected. You can bet your azz that there is a database somewhere, where computers will spit out a record of your travels, in a matter of minutes.

                                                                    Cell phone records can give a time and date of your approximate location on any specific date and time.

                                                                    Keep your mouth shut if you are planning something illegal. And, be assured, if you are, that probably 99% plus of the folks here do NOT want to know about it.

                                                                  • #77159
                                                                    Andrew
                                                                    Participant

                                                                      With a license plate number, the PTB, can locate your residence or where you rented that car. Doesn’t even take more than an administrative subpoena usually.

                                                                      The next step is get your DMV to give up your address from your driver’s license. Then they go for your other records, as mentioned in one of the earlier posts.

                                                                      Don’t forget, there is always the “pretext” stop using local enforcement to get your information and with any luck to get you to consent to a search.

                                                                      Be wary of strangers and if any of your friends have recently been arrested, I’d be careful there also. They certainly aren’t going to tell you that they were “flipped” while in custody.

                                                                    • #77160
                                                                      Andrew
                                                                      Participant
                                                                      • #77161
                                                                        Joe (G.W.N.S.)
                                                                        Moderator

                                                                          I have struggled on how to address countermeasures in a hypothetical anti-liberty Regime situation. I do not want to create a how to manual that could be misused either. So most of the following will be somewhat vague, but very possible.

                                                                          It is also important to remember I am talking about a hypothetical “Patriot Dawn” or worse scenario.

                                                                          Andrew has brought up many points above.

                                                                          First the easiest; flying, I haven’t flown commercial U.S. passenger service since my retirement and I won’t unless things change dramatically. Private aviation is still possible.

                                                                          This leaves autos, bicycles, walking, and boats.

                                                                          Trains and buses have become randomly problematic although hypothetically, old school Hobo train travel is still possible.

                                                                          Checkpoints, these would need to be avoided.

                                                                          It is also important to remember I am talking about a hypothetical “Patriot Dawn” or worse scenario.

                                                                          Autos are probably one the most dangerous due to possible stops by whatever authorities are applicable, combined with ability for License Plate tracking etc, but that is more AO dependent though more and more common.

                                                                          Vetting your associates has been addressed elsewhere, but must be done thoroughly

                                                                          …ICE is staking out gun dealer’s locations and taking pictures of license plates you might want to consider they are doing it at local firing ranges.

                                                                          A consideration that can be avoided with a little forethought.

                                                                          Phones need to be left at home! Burner phones need to never be in proximity to your phone or any associate that has his real phone on them.

                                                                          Burner phones must never be operational in any location you are related to and must never be used to call associates real phones.

                                                                          Consider some phone calls to Regime adversaries for disinformation. This could easily lead to Regime eating it’s own.

                                                                          It is also important to remember I am talking about a hypothetical “Patriot Dawn” or worse scenario.

                                                                          Alternate identities can range from fully operational, to ones that maybe of use where a quick show of ID works. Operational in the system identification is exceptionally difficult accomplish today, forget whats in (known to me) books as they are obsolete methods.

                                                                          Quality Flash ID’s are relatively easy to acquire, but are of limited use.

                                                                          Note: Detailed discussion of alternate ID will not be entertained.

                                                                          Keep your mouth shut if you are planning something illegal. And, be assured, if you are, that probably 99% plus of the folks here do NOT want to know about it.

                                                                          Do not discuss illegal activities!

                                                                          What are you leaving behind in any operation? Finger prints, DNA, or other evidence. This type of evidence collection is very possible, yes even in a Revolution/Civil War situation.

                                                                          Magazines and spent shell casings must be considered (Finger prints and DNA) as an example.

                                                                          Possible use of thermite to destroy non-sterile gear and even remains that can not be brought out or otherwise secured.

                                                                          It is also important to remember I am talking about a hypothetical “Patriot Dawn” or worse scenario.

                                                                        • #77162
                                                                          Andrew
                                                                          Participant

                                                                            Finger prints, DNA, or other evidence.

                                                                            If you have served in the military, your prints are on file. If you are a LEO or first responder, your prints are on file. If you are a locksmith or bonded, odds are your prints are on file.

                                                                            I cannot address the DNA problem, but I do know that there is a data base being constructed.

                                                                            In a Red Dawn type scenario, or even if our government should invite the UN into the country, or whatever, certain parts of the established powers that be, will become turncoats and stay where they are, against their neighbors and friends. Sounds horrific, but it is human nature. To a minor degree it is understandable, pensions and such, so don’t be shocked when it happens.

                                                                          • #77163
                                                                            Joe (G.W.N.S.)
                                                                            Moderator

                                                                              If you have served in the military, your prints are on file. If you are a LEO or first responder, your prints are on file. If you are a locksmith or bonded, odds are your prints are on file.

                                                                              Of course, but it doesn’t mean you can’t work hard to not leave these identifiers behind. Can’t prevent whats already on file, but you can limit whats left behind.

                                                                              …certain parts of the established powers that be, will become turncoats and stay where they are…

                                                                              Just remember not all those that stay will be against us and some will be working for us. So don’t target those that aren’t a direct threat in order to avoid losing an important asset.

                                                                            • #77164
                                                                              Andrew
                                                                              Participant

                                                                                :good: :good:

                                                                              • #77165
                                                                                eggleston
                                                                                Participant

                                                                                  During a SHTF long term event many Regime personnel may be influenced by bribes or threats to provide all manner of support for a resistance movement . This will lead less committed regime members to put a price on everything . Weapons, fuel,meds,food and information/intelligence would be for sale.

                                                                                • #77166
                                                                                  eggleston
                                                                                  Participant

                                                                                    Does the Regime currently have the ability to analyze and create actionable timely intelligence from all the info gathered each day ? Just seems that with all the separate agencies turf battles would take a toll on efficiency .

                                                                                  • #77167
                                                                                    Joe (G.W.N.S.)
                                                                                    Moderator

                                                                                      …ability to analyze and create actionable timely intelligence from all the info gathered each day?

                                                                                      It comes down to “numbers,” when they can focus on a relatively small points of interest, yes.

                                                                                      However the more priority points of interest the less effective they become.

                                                                                      Technology helps, but it still comes down to actual Analysts.

                                                                                      The actual point that exceeds capability can only be speculated on and if actually known would be classified.

                                                                                    • #77168
                                                                                      wheelsee
                                                                                      Participant

                                                                                        Finger prints, DNA, or other evidence.

                                                                                        I cannot address the DNA problem, but I do know that there is a data base being constructed.

                                                                                        And they will hang us with our own ropes – think ancestry.com. While I would have liked to have done a DNA test for ancestry purposes, I couldn’t shake the feeling the Uncle Sam might subpoena or downright take the results……they (govt) may get my DNA, but I’ll be damned if I pay them to do it…..

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                                                                                        Joe (G.W.N.S.)
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                                                                                          It’s been awhile, time for another look. ;-)

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                                                                                          BILLY
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                                                                                            Forgive me if this was posted recently, but I recall a really detailed explanation that laid out the number of cops in the US, the number of tactical teams that could do gun confiscation raids, and finally the very short lifespan of the seizure attempts because of attrition and the lack of people to carry out the raids going forward. I thought I saw it on here, does that ring a bell for anyone?

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