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    • #125755
      Anonymous
      Inactive

        So if I’m working on a budget, what would be a good combo for a kevlar helmet and electronic hearing protection?

        I already have a pair of Howard Leights, but it seems from reading online that they don’t mate well with anything but a FAST helmet, which are easily $300+, which I can’t pool together anytime soon. I was looking at some of the surplus MICH, ACH, or Mk 6 helmets because they’re kevlar and within my budget but I’m not aware of any way to mate them to any kind of electronic hearing protection, except for the high-end headsets that cost $500+ themselves.

        Any suggestions?

        Kinda random but I figured y’all would know more than anybody else.

      • #125758
        SeanT
        Keymaster

          Sadly that combination of things will not ever be budget friendly.

        • #125762
          JohnnyMac
          Participant

            An appropriate sized ACH, with team Wendy pads arranged for the headband of the earpro to go in between them is probably you’re cheapest viable option

            • #125791
              Max
              Keymaster

                An appropriate sized ACH, with team Wendy pads arranged for the headband of the earpro to go in between them is probably you’re cheapest viable option

                :good:

            • #125980
              DiznNC
              Participant

                OK, this is heresy to some, BUT, I have modified several surplus ACH’s into a decent high cut helmet. The trick is taking your time with the cuts, and re-sealing the raw edges properly. Some say this crazy, because warranty, liability, etc. If you are active duty .mil, LEO, etc. they might have a point. I say if you are an armed civilian, who gives a fuck.

                So with a 100 dollar surplus ACH, a good coping saw, and several tubes of McNett Seam Grip, you can have a high cut helmet at a fraction of the cost. Remove the rubber rand and shit-can. Put your rails on, trace, and cut to the line. Then I use an extra coarse sanding belt on a belt sander to smooth out the cuts, and remove most of the raw, fuzzy material. Then you tape up, inside and out, to the old rand line. Now carefully build up with Seam Grip, sanding in between coats, until you have a nice smooth replacement rand. If you need a new 3-hole pattern, fill single hole with Seam Grip. You can even mix in a little fuzzy Kevlar in as reinforcement. Now tape on new Shroud, and mark new hole pattern. Drill up a size. Coat holes with Seam Grip. Drill to actual size. I then coat the helmet, inside and out with Rustoleum textured spray paint. Let dry several days.

                The key is re-sealing the raw edges. As long as you do this, I see nothing wrong with this technique. Although purists will point out the Kevlar is weakened at the cuts, but whatever.

                You can go mild to wild on accessories. Ops Core or Revision rails; Ops Core VAS shroud, Wilcox, etc.; OpsCore suspension, TW BOA, etc,; std or 4D pads; Revision, OpsCore, First Spear helmet covers; and NV gear.

                I usually end up spending about 400 bucks, with say OpsCore rails and shroud, “X” nape suspension, and Revision cover.

                With state of the art helmets going for 15-1700 these days, I say why not. YMMV.

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                • This reply was modified 9 months, 1 week ago by DiznNC.
                • #125990
                  AntMan
                  Participant

                    Damn, well done. That looks sharp.

                    2xcqbc
                    1xclc

                • #126434
                  jriggs
                  Participant

                    Not sure if this is good advice so take with a grain of salt. I put a team Wendy dial in the level three cvc helmet. I then attached peltors to the helmet. It fits well and the ear pro works well but is really high cut over the ears.

                    Team Rekkr

                  • #126475
                    Anonymous
                    Inactive

                      Not sure if this is good advice so take with a grain of salt. I put a team Wendy dial in the level three cvc helmet. I then attached peltors to the helmet. It fits well and the ear pro works well but is really high cut over the ears.

                      Reading up on this and it seems like this is actually a pretty established mod I could pull off for less than the cost of the ACH alone. If I buy an ACH and my Howard Leights don’t fit (I’ve heard that even the ACH can crush your head with earpro) I have to shell out more money for another headset, which could go towards plates and a plate carrier, and I’m already pinching pennies as-is.

                      Seems that the 132B is the best version, while the 132A is lighter but offers less ballistic protection. I’m seeing one 132B for $60, and a 132A for $40, but I think I can shell out the extra 20 bucks for the extra protection. Pads are like fifteen, ACH chinstraps are like another fifteen to twoenty. That comes out to like $120 or so at most, plus some labor for drilling holes.

                      Unless Max, 1SG, Joe or any of the other guys think it’s a terrible idea sounds like a feasible game plan.

                    • #126511
                      jriggs
                      Participant

                        Couple of things to consider.
                        1. When I say high cut they are really high cut.
                        2. If you are planning on running nods go ahead and get a dial system it really stabilizes everything.
                        3. These helmets only come in two sizes large and larger. The small is still big (I wear 7 1/2 hat and I have to put thicker pads in to make it fit). They are designed to have tanker coms and liners in them.
                        4 when you start making your own mods on the first one you will likely spend more than you anticipate. Like shit I drilled the wrong hole or those pads are the wrong size.
                        When I think about it a little more if you aren’t running a dial system an ach is probably your best and cheapest option. I have run that set up with cheaper peltors with no problem. The ear pro actually made the helmet more stable.

                        Team Rekkr

                      • #126516
                        DiznNC
                        Participant

                          Plus one on ear pro making things more stable. If you helmet mount the ear pro, you can get away with a std “X” or “H” nape harness, even with NV. My set up has a std “X” nape harness and I have zero issues with shit moving around with NV.

                          The dial-a-fit stuff gives me headaches when worn all night. YMMV.

                          A word about sizing. Don’t forget about winter ops when you need some kind of balaclava in there. I went up a size just for this purpose. So if it’s a little big that’s a plus in my book. Could also use some kind of “Head Sweats” helmet liner.

                        • #126652
                          First Sergeant
                          Moderator

                            I have worn CVC helmets before. In a armored vehicle. Did it pretty regularly for a couple of years.

                            My advice is don’t do this.

                            @rampantraptor send me a PM. I can probably get you into an ACH cheaper than you think.

                            FILO
                            Signal Out, Can You Identify
                            Je ne regrette rien
                            In Orbe Terrum Non Visi

                            • #126967
                              Anonymous
                              Inactive

                                I have worn CVC helmets before. In a armored vehicle. Did it pretty regularly for a couple of years.

                                My advice is don’t do this.

                                @rampantraptor send me a PM. I can probably get you into an ACH cheaper than you think.

                                Sent you a message, awaiting a response.

                            • #135538
                              RTOhio
                              Participant

                                Are any helmets manufactured by “Hard Head” any good?

                              • #135627
                                Anonymous
                                Inactive

                                  Can’t speak for Hard Head Veterans but since this thread popped back up some updates.

                                  I did the CVC mod, after adding a chinstrap and pads the helmet fits pretty well and takes the Howard Leights just fine. Affordable for an entry-level high-cut helmet if you’re willing to put in the labor, the problem is that the back of the helmet is a bit low so going prone in that helmet is a bit problematic. Not impossible but the brow might get annoying when prone.

                                  Wound up finding a nice surplus shop near me and picked up an ACH for $130. (Randy’s Surplus is great if you’re in central Maryland, good prices and veteran-owned.)

                                  Got Comtac IIIs, they were really darn expensive (trying to cut back on my swearing); the Howard Leights under the ACH were just crushing my head but the Comtac IIIs fit under the ACH. It’s a tight fit and getting the chin straps over the headset is a PITA but it works.

                                • #135645
                                  DiznNC
                                  Participant

                                    Hi-cut that bitch.

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