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    • #145259
      Max
      Keymaster

        Thoughts on this video? One thing is true, and that is that if the virus is faked for an ulterior motive, the economic impacts are not fake.

        I just don’t know how you could fake something on this scale. But the video is also compelling. Who is faking what here?

      • #145262
        Civilianresponder
        Participant

          Weird! I dont know what to think.

        • #145263
          Joe (G.W.N.S.)
          Moderator

            I guess we need some actual hands on reports

            I know I was unable to get any figures on NYC hospitalizations beds/ICU used.

            If you’ve read my posts on Florida where I have actual numbers of hospitalization.

            Even our Miami/Dade hotspot that our media reports is overwhelmed has 329 (37%) of ICU beds available.

            I haven’t thought this to be a hoax, just over hyped and cure worse than virus.

            I have repeatedly stated how fear is a powerful tool for control. Fake seems improbable, inflated effects are possible though.

            Obviously the economic ramifications are real and dangerous.

            • #145264
              First Sergeant
              Moderator

                ^^^^ What he said.

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            • #145265
              Joe (G.W.N.S.)
              Moderator

                Not directly related, but I didn’t see any crazy crowds either.

              • #145276
                Max
                Keymaster

                  Are any medical personnel or anyone directly affected seeing any if this out there?

                  If you think through the implications, planning and conspiracy of a hoax it is mind boggling.

                  One thing that is certain are the economic implications. Normalcy bias has to go away with the economy. We are sliding into that collapse we have talked about for so long. Seems like a contrived economic collapse

                  But why? Is it all about derailing the Trunp Train? We have talked before about the need for an economic collapse to derail Trump.

                • #145277
                  DiznNC
                  Participant

                    Hoax is probably the wrong word. Crisis blown out of proportion is more like it. 8,000 dead out of over 300,000 infected, 2-3% morality rate. All very tragic, but in perspective, how many murders, how many traffic deaths, how many drug-related deaths, etc. For example, over 9,000 people die every day in the US, from all causes (applet-magic.com 2001-2007). So from Jan to March, that’s over 800,000 deaths. So all up, you are 99x more likely to die of something else than the this virus. Yet there’s no one saying stay at home because: you might get mugged/get in a traffic accident/slip and fall/and/or meteor fall on your head.

                    The big Bugaboo here is what MIGHT happen. We’ve all heard the experts predict up to 240,000 deaths. Nobody knows for sure, but, as we see the curve flattening out in other countries, and assuming the same here, by June, you might see double the amount of casualties, which would put us at 16,000. Still tragic but a far cry from 240K. This is all speculation, but based on actual performance so far, not what might happen.

                    So really this is one of the worst examples of how the modern day media, and politics can fan the flames of a real crisis into an over-reaction. I’m not saying it’s a hoax; I’m not saying it’s not serious; and I’m not saying fuggit, go out without any precautions. But what I am saying is that you can’t save every last person from an un-timely death, even if you have the tech and the money. No country can sustain this kind of effort, including us.

                    In the end, it’s political implications here that are extremely dangerous. Just another crisis to de-rail Trump.

                    • This reply was modified 4 months, 1 week ago by DiznNC.
                  • #145280
                    JohnnyMac
                    Participant

                      seeing any if this out there

                      In normal conditions, people go to the ER for ridiculous reasons. Those same people are afraid to go to the ER now for fear of coronavirus. Outside of hotspots/major cities, especially in small towns, the workload has gone down, not up. This is coming from a local ER doctor I know.

                      For me personally, without revealing too much publicly, work has rampant absenteeism. Majority of it is likely just fear based. There are relatively few cases, but many people waiting on test results. I can confirm I’ve been around people with symptoms. We’re using social distancing where possible, masks and a ton of sanitizer.

                      The effects of coronavirus are vastly different from person to person. Everything from no symptoms to death. The majority of people are going to be ok. People just don’t like the uncertainty. Also, our testing policies have confounded the problem of identification. People who feel “just a little sick” have been told not to get tested.

                      Is there a conspiracy theory? I’m doubtful, but there are plenty of people out there who ordinarily are spinning up conspiracies. No surprise there. Coincidence that boomers, who by and large run the government, are freaking out and overreacting? No, they’re old and at higher risk for serious symptoms. (If you’re a boomer and reading this: can I have your rifle? JK)

                      • This reply was modified 4 months, 1 week ago by JohnnyMac.
                    • #145282
                      Joe (G.W.N.S.)
                      Moderator

                        Is it all about derailing the Trunp Train?

                        Just another crisis to de-rail Trump.

                        This is certainly a component and the majority of those involved don’t understand how dangerous a collapse is and some consider it an opportunity to push Socialism/Globalism.

                        Propaganda induced fear, ignorance, and lack of critical thinking are the largest factor in my opinion.

                        Consider the push back here on Forum I’ve received for suggesting COVID-19 (facts vice speculation) wasn’t the threat portrayed.

                        (If you’re a boomer and reading this: can I have your rifle? JK)

                        Take a number, there are many in line for my gear! ;-)

                      • #145284
                        Max
                        Keymaster

                          Here’s your conspiracy:

                        • #145285
                          Max
                          Keymaster

                            Meanwhile, added 12 female chickens yesterday, built the garden yesterday (yes, late in many of your opinions) and we are going to start planting.

                            The honeydoo / prepper list is challenging. But this slow-slide coronapocalypse is giving us time at home to take care of the things we were too busy to take care of before.

                          • #145286
                            Max
                            Keymaster

                              What we don’t know is what the truth is. We just can’t get a handle through all the misinformation. But we can see real world effects. Normalcy bias needs to go away and we need to wake up to impending collapse. Maybe it won’t happen? But it seems probable. Rather have a garden and a few more preps and not need, than not have them.

                            • #145288
                              Robert Henry
                              Participant

                                Meanwhile, added 12 female chickens yesterday, built the garden yesterday (yes, late in many of your opinions) and we are going to start planting.

                                The honeydoo / prepper list is challenging. But this slow-slide coronapocalypse is giving us time at home to take care of the things we were too busy to take care of before.

                                Definitely not too late for warm weather crops up your way.

                                Wife came to me a few weeks ago between phone calls and said “we need to put a garden in.” This was about day 5 of being tethered to the phone taking orders. I laughed and looked the phone and said “honey I can’t even take a full shower these days without the phone interrupting. “No James and I will take care of it, just need to know a few things.”

                                Sure enough they turned over the north garden area and got a summer garden in. I watched from the window. Kind of liking this pockey’lips thing – getting back to basics child and woman labor like the old days!! LMAO Yes I’m just kidding (children must be over 2 to work here) :yahoo:

                                Tons to do on the homestead right now like you said. Lots of coulda woulda shoulda also- fruit trees we planted in the late 90’s and early 2000’s have mostly run their course and aren’t producing or dying off here and there. Cut a few out over the last few years but didn’t get around to putting new in. Let my bees go a few years ago when the hives got nasty with wax moths- didn’t have time to replace. Coulda woulda shoulda. Thankfully I have a family that lived like this for years so the transition has been relatively painless.

                                Don’t personally think the corona is a hoax but it’s definitely going to have secondary effects. Seems like everyday you see lamestream media articles relating to “nation girds for riots” and similar stuff promoting the idea of riots, etc. Guess they are trying to plant that seed….

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                              • #145289
                                Joe (G.W.N.S.)
                                Moderator

                                  Here’s your conspiracy:

                                  The first part where the case is made that human nature is basically good and it’s only some bad guys responsible is pure fiction!

                                  The existence of these “bad guys” is in fact proof that human nature is not benevolent. In my World travels spanning the majority of the planet I’ve become convinced of the evil of human nature when left to its own devices. Without proper upbringing and a belief system instilled early on there is little hope of good men. Even with this many still turn out evil.

                                  As to the rest?

                                  Would love for it to be true and no one will celebrate such arrests and change more than me!

                                  However I will not be holding my breath.

                                  Like most of “q” information, some truth, some hope, but little substance to this point.

                                • #145290
                                  DiznNC
                                  Participant

                                    That’s the deal. Regardless of what the current crisis is, manufactured or not, we need to be prepared.

                                    I looked up another source (indexmundi.com) and the deaths per day , all causes was 7,452. Which would be 670,680 for the period, Jan-March. Still roughly 1% of total.

                                    We’ll see in June.

                                    Yeah I mean we should be concentrating on getting back to the basics regardless of current crisis.

                                    • This reply was modified 4 months, 1 week ago by DiznNC.
                                  • #145292
                                    Lloyd
                                    Participant

                                      Would love for it to be true and no one will celebrate such arrests and change more than me!

                                      However I will not be holding my breath.

                                      Like most of “q” information, some truth, some hope, but little substance to this point.

                                      :yes:

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                                    • #145293
                                      Joe (G.W.N.S.)
                                      Moderator

                                        Rather have a garden and a few more preps and not need, than not have them.

                                        At worst it’s great practice, at best it’s lifesaving!

                                        :good:

                                      • #145294
                                        JohnnyMac
                                        Participant

                                          Meanwhile, added 12 female chickens yesterday, built the garden yesterday (yes, late in many of your opinions) and we are going to start planting.

                                          Hell yeah!

                                        • #145295
                                          DuaneH
                                          Participant

                                            From a medical perspective, the virus is real and appears to be more virulent than the common flu. I have not actually seen a case of CV19, but then again I work in an outpatient setting now.

                                            I base the “real” part on the case reports that I have read. I will even go so far as to say the number of deaths of people WITH CV19 are probably close to accurate. I also base the “real” aspect on the fact that so many drug companies are rushing in to do research (millions of dollars) for various drugs and research institutions have begun studies into it. (keep in mind that many of the studies and maybe even drug trials make the various players involved eligible for .gov money.)

                                            The media NEVER misses an opportunity to hype things up. Think about Trayvon Martin. Why? It sells and they are in the business of making money. Why are government entities (state and federal) going along with it? Think about it like this: If there is a grande peur (google it) caused from media hype and .gov leaders do NOT respond to it, they risk seeming weak and not “caring”. I would say this is why some states have been hesitant to roll out stay at home orders. The people in charge including the governor analyze the situation rationally and logically.

                                            That being said: I think the precautions being implemented are appropriate in NYC. A place where that has a huge population density, skews right as far as age goes and while I have no proof I think that a larger percentage of the people have co-morbidities.

                                            If I were to find out tomorrow that as it turns out, there is some shadow organization that has been manipulating the world for the past 200 years it wouldn’t surprise me in the least.

                                            I became a nurse in 1994. I have worked hospitals and various clinics during some of the worst flu seasons. 2009-2010, 14-15, and 17-18 I was doing my pediatric rotation and it was a tough year for people.

                                            I don’t think the virus is a hoax, just over-hyped. I am taking this seriously though. Wouldn’t consider traveling to the northeast and I have been using the social distancing guidelines Nov-Mar since 2005.

                                          • #145296
                                            wheelsee
                                            Participant

                                              I work at a 1k bed hospital in the southern US with a surrounding population of ~6M.

                                              A busy day for us in the ED is 320 patients, average 300, and slow day is 280. This past week has seen days of 150s. No elective procedures are being done.

                                              Discussing with my attendings (some of who went to school in NYC), they figure we’re about 2 weeks behind NYC.

                                              The public parking lot I park in for work had always been full (~ 50 vehicles). For the past week, mine is the only there. Occasionally, another vehicle will also be in the lot.

                                              I have no clue where this thing (Corona virus) is going – too much conflicting information. And the information we receive changes daily. To my hospital’s credit, we receive daily emails on changes, what’s going on, how to prepare, etc.

                                              60-90 days out, we ARE going to get hit with a surge of patients though, regardless of COVID. People have already lost jobs, meaning they’ve also lost health insurance. Meaning when they run out of their meds, its only a matter of time (30-60 days) before their underlying medical condition gets out of control. Congestive heart failure (CHF), Diabetes (DM), Emphysema (COPD), asthma, heart disease (CAD), and high blood pressure (HTN) are the major ones – in normal times, they still make up ~85% of what I see daily.

                                              So what is my mindset right now?? I’m in a bounding overwatch mindset for now.

                                            • #145297
                                              tahawus
                                              Participant

                                                From NY Times this AM

                                                Death toll in N.Y. climbs to 4,159 as confirmed cases top 122,031.
                                                Here are the latest statistics from Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo’s daily briefing:

                                                Deaths in New York State: 4,159, up from 3,565 on Saturday morning.

                                                Confirmed cases: 122,031, up from 113,704. In New York City, 67,551, up from 60,306.

                                                Hospitalized in New York State: 16,479, up from 15,905.

                                                In intensive care: 4,376, up from 4,126.

                                                The governor said there appeared to be “a slight plateauing” in the number of deaths related to the coronavirus. Though Mr. Cuomo said New York could be “near the apex” he added that “we won’t know for the next few days, does it go up, does it go down.”

                                              • #145298
                                                M1-Guy
                                                Participant

                                                  This may not belong in this thread but several references to economic implications were made, so the following are the financial/economic issues as I see them and based upon my experience. This is a broad swath.

                                                  1. The coronavirus (CV) itself is not a hoax. I know people first hand that have had it here in FL and they suffered with flu like symptoms but were more scared as a result of the MSM info disseminated.
                                                  2. Flattening the Curve is a concept to spread (not reduce) the virus over a longer period of time so as not to overwhelm the medical system. The seasonal flu has somewhere around 30k deaths per year in the US or .1%. If the CV has a 1% mortality rate that would be around 300000 deaths and a multiple of that as sick needing hospital, ICU, etc. Thus the desire to flatten the curve so as not to overwhelm the medical system.
                                                  3. The virus is the virus. It appears to have originated in China and spread from there just before the Chinese New Year. Look at flight tracker for outbound flights from Wuhan and you will see the globe was nicely seeded by the Chinese.
                                                  4. The virus is the pin that pops the various financial bubbles. Specifically and probably closest to all of us is the stock market. Within a matter of weeks it goes from all time high to a low of down +30%, followed by a dead cat bounce to down about 20%. With a projected further decrease as the magnitude of the financial/economic disaster takes on more clarity.
                                                  5. Historically the stock market movements are a harbinger of financial conditions to come. Typically a retreat by the market to bear market territory (down more than 20%) signals a recession in the next 3-6 months. In this case due to severity and violence of the decline maybe more like depression this time around and sooner.
                                                  6. Add to this the virtual halt to imports from the far east (mostly China) and there will shortly be significant supply chain disruptions.
                                                  7. This will cause (and already has) employers to curtail production, reduce workforce, put expansion on hold, defer capex, etc.
                                                  8. Now, throw on top of that the Fed and State gov’t throwing crumbs to the citizens while they bail out private enterprises (this precedent occurred in 2008-2009 bailouts) because they fear and know that the unemployment rate is headed well north of 20% (some say 30%). To the tune of TRILLIONS of dollars.
                                                  9. Finally, add all the current stimulus/spending to our already 23 Trillion national debt, annual deficits as far as the eye can see and we will arrive at financial Armageddon in the near future.

                                                  MY CONCLUSIONS

                                                  1. THE FINANCIAL/ECONOMIC PATH WE ARE CURRENTLY ON IS NOT SUSTAINABLE, in the short or long term. There is no way this can end well financially.
                                                  2. IMO a “reset” of some sort is in the cards. TPTB have successfully shut down the biggest economy in the world. It cannot just be restarted because someone says so.
                                                  3. Whatever you think, you need more supplies. It is most likely this goes on much longer than anyone thinks.
                                                  4. Buckle up. The financial catastrophe and its consequences will eclipse the Chinese virus.

                                                  Arthur

                                                  • #145306
                                                    Max
                                                    Keymaster

                                                      Well done Arthur. Excellent analysis. “You need more supplies.”

                                                      Buckle up chaps, this is it.

                                                  • #145302
                                                    Andrew
                                                    Participant

                                                      I am surprised that the call volume for us (EMS service) has actually dropped. Being on a major interstate (I-10) between two hot spots San Antonio and El Paso I was sure the town/county would take a hit, but so far so good. Zero cases in the county to date.

                                                      Biggest negative impact I have seen and felt is the PITA of having to stand around in line to go to the big chain stores. That and now we have to wear face masks all the time, be it in the communal areas at the station or in the ambulances. We can take the things off in our individual berthing space.

                                                    • #145307
                                                      Joe (G.W.N.S.)
                                                      Moderator

                                                        3. Whatever you think, you need more supplies. It is most likely this goes on much longer than anyone thinks.

                                                        The only caveat I’ll offer here is stay within your means!

                                                        If you stock up now using “credit” do you have the means to pay for it?

                                                        Consider if you run up too much debt and things do not fall apart on your guesstimated time frame.

                                                        Chose wisely!

                                                        One could leave you hungry and one could leave you homeless just before whatever may come.

                                                      • #145318
                                                        M1-Guy
                                                        Participant

                                                          Agree that people need to act within their means and also remember that with regard to food type supplies they won’t go to waste. If at the end of this there are food supplies left they will be consumed to bring your stock down to more “normal levels” whatever than means for you.

                                                          I cannot emphasize enough that the CV is a side show for the main event and has everyone’s attention. It is real and it is happening but it isn’t going to end with everything getting back to what it was (normalcy bias). Think about where we are. Federal Debt, State Debt, Student Loans, Car Loans, Mortgage Loans, Personal Loans, etc. Now add on lost jobs, unemployment reaching 20-30%, massive first time unemployment claims and States in various forms of lockdown. Ending in Declining tax revenues to Fed and States as a result of stalled economy and job losses. Rhetorical question. Given all of this, how does the every day family now pay their bills for what will be an extended period of time?

                                                          This is UNSUSTAINABLE. Assuming we solve CV or not, we need to think past it. The economic die has been cast. This begins to look like the economics of the Post WW I German Weimar Republic or perhaps todays Venezuela.

                                                        • #145319
                                                          Joe (G.W.N.S.)
                                                          Moderator

                                                            The economic die has been cast.

                                                            The only reason I am not 100% onboard with your timeframe regarding the economics of our current and near term situation is my shock that we have gotten this far without the economic collapse already happening.

                                                            We have been living on borrowed time (and money) for so long that it seems without question THIS should be enough to facilitate the long expected collapse.

                                                            However, Governments having gotten so good at pretending things are fine living in perpetual debt that I don’t think it’s beyond possibility they can pull off a temporary stopgap solution. One that the World will go along with and pretend fixed the problem.

                                                            How long could such a bandaid work?

                                                            Who knows? I never thought we would get this far. ;-)

                                                            Note: Perception is sometimes reality for a time.

                                                          • #145328
                                                            First Sergeant
                                                            Moderator

                                                              CDC advisor says ‘real’ fatality rate of COVID-19 is too low to justify ‘drastic crackdowns’

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                                                            • #145343
                                                              DiznNC
                                                              Participant

                                                                Only time will tell. This is almost the perfect scam though. You say OMG we have to do these draconian measures or the whole planet will die. We do them and only a small segment dies. When you question this, they say, see, our measures worked. Kinda like the dude standing on the corner doing some strange dance. When you ask him why, he says he’s keeping elephants away. When you say there are no elephants, he says, see, it’s working.

                                                                The problem today is that men no longer operate under any sense of morality or ethics. They say anything to advance a political agenda. So it’s very hard to discern “the truth” anymore. Any crisis such as this is used merely to advance your cause, so you see measures and reactions way “over the top” from what might be normally expected.

                                                                I think Trump is painted into a corner by all the progressives. If he doesn’t do this massive over-reaction to “save every soul” he will be painted as this heartless asshole and further vilified. And the fact that this over-reaction advances their agenda by wrecking the economy is icing on the cake.

                                                                And I agree with Joe, why this shit-pile hasn’t collapsed yet is beyond me. But it hasn’t. Don’t know why but it hasn’t. In a way, that’s a problem, because we keep saying, oh it’s gonna happen, and when it does, that’ll be the catalyst, etc. But for whatever reason, it doesn’t. So nothing is ever done and we continue this slow slide into oblivion. And maybe that’s the answer. In spite of everything we “know”, the reality is that the country continues to stumble on. We know it’s not sustainable, yet somehow it is. And no one can tell you why this paradox continues.

                                                                Oh well. Fuck it; gonna put a garden in this year.

                                                              • #145344
                                                                Joe (G.W.N.S.)
                                                                Moderator

                                                                  When you question this, they say, see, our measures worked.

                                                                  Not only the Government will claim victory, but the “doom and gloom” cloud that drank the “koolaid” will refuse to admit they were Useful Idiots for the State!

                                                                  So these Useful Idiots will also say these measures were needed, because no one wants to admit being a fool!

                                                                  B-)

                                                                • #145349
                                                                  Robert Henry
                                                                  Participant

                                                                    Without proper upbringing and a belief system instilled early on there is little hope of good men. Even with this many still turn out evil.

                                                                    Yep!

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                                                                  • #145356
                                                                    LittleBigBill
                                                                    Participant

                                                                      As was mentioned in a previous topic, my son’s girlfriend (almost daughter-in-law), is a PA working at Elmhurst Hospital in NYC and I sent her the video Max linked to (Covid-19 HOAX).

                                                                      Here is her candid review of the video:

                                                                      Hospitals have multiple entrances and the vast majority of a hospital takes place past the doors, which none of these people went past. At Elmhurst, he shot the video inside the Elective Surgery Center waiting room entrance (I walk in there daily). That’s shut down and roped off to prevent people from waiting there. Just because bodies aren’t piled up on the floor or rioting outside the hospitals doesn’t mean that we’re exaggerating. The average person just doesn’t understand how hospitals work and expect some Hollywood theatrics.

                                                                      I don’t understand why it’s a bad thing that there’s no line anymore. We worked really hard for that. No one with an O2 Sat under 95% even makes it past the check-in desk. They’re told to presume they’re positive and go home because 80% of people have mild symptoms. That’s the main way we have discouraged people coming in for testing. The problem is that the ED is still full of people who are acutely hypoxic but no bed to admit them to. So they sit in the ED for days – unit that is not designed for the medical needs of people on ventilators. In the ED, patient bays meant for one person now have 3. People are laying about a foot from each other for days, unable to get up to use the bathroom because then they de-sat to the 50s and even if they could there’s only one bathroom. So there’s pee and poop everywhere. Various sections of the ED are being turned into makeshift ICUs, meaning that there’s increasingly less room for anyone not critical. Elsewhere in the hospital, units are also being converted into makeshift ICUs, such as the one I’m working in. I have 60 intubated patients in my unit alone. Standard for an entire hospital is about 20 ICU rooms total and maybe 10 intubated patients. It is incredibly easy for critical patients to die preventable deaths if not managed very closely. Typically that requires a max 4:1 ratio of patients to providers. Daytime providers manage about 12 patients each and at night one team manages all 60 patients, about 1/3 of whom are on death’s door at any given time. We have about 5 deaths per night in my unit alone on a good night. I think about 20-30 people a day are dying in the hospital as a whole on an average night and Elmhurst is a pretty small hospital so you can imagine what other hospitals are experiencing. I know those aren’t Hollywood numbers but that is a bloodbath by any real life medical standards. In normal life, not that many people die in a hospital on any given day so hospital morgues are small.

                                                                      Why would a paramedic be testing patients? Their whole goal is just to keep a patient alive long enough to get to the hospital. And the test takes days to return. Of course, they don’t know. But I can tell you that all 60 patients in my unit alone have tested positive. Basically anyone who stays alive long enough for the test to return is positive even if that’s not why they came in.

                                                                      Of course, the guy didn’t go inside the makeshift morgue. “No action”? What did he expect… a line of body bags waiting to get into the morgue? 20-30 patients dying in one day means a body being brought down every hour. That guy’s clip was about 10 seconds. I’m sorry that someone dying every hour is not dramatic enough for him.

                                                                      The clips are misleading and incredibly short. Of course, media is using old footage. No one is allowed to film in an American hospital to protect patient privacy.

                                                                      I have no reason to disbelieve her account of the actions that are going on. The numbers now coming out of the MSM are lower than originally anticipated…. that is a good thing.

                                                                    • #145359
                                                                      Lloyd
                                                                      Participant

                                                                        LittleBigBill – Sent you a private mssg

                                                                        • This reply was modified 4 months, 1 week ago by Lloyd.

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                                                                      • #145363
                                                                        Joe (G.W.N.S.)
                                                                        Moderator

                                                                          If the news media did real reporting vice pushing agendas and hyping stories you wouldn’t have amateurs attempting to find facts.

                                                                          Using stock footage and playing as real is at the least unethical, at most manufacturing a narrative.

                                                                          The closest to real hospital bed numbers for I’ve found for NYC is NYT’s article suggesting 20,000 beds out of the 53,000 for entire State.

                                                                          for NYC; a city of over 8 million, having that limited medical infrastructure is a disaster waiting to happen under these conditions.

                                                                          Miami/Dade is our most populated city/county with 2.75 million with about 8,000 hospital beds. (1 bed for 344 residents)

                                                                          On the surface NYC’s (1 bed for 400 residents) compared similarly to Miami/Dade, but in reality due to extreme population density there is little real comparison.

                                                                          NYC 27,016 residents per square mile.

                                                                          Miami/Dade 1,431 residents per square mile.

                                                                          So when dealing with pandemics, urban plane crash, chemical spills, explosions, etc…NYC is a poor choice to be.

                                                                          Florida in the last week or so, increased its hospital bed numbers by 6,637 beds, by opening unused areas that had be used for storage, etc…So we have over 60,000 beds available.

                                                                        • #145367
                                                                          LittleBigBill
                                                                          Participant

                                                                            Lloyd,
                                                                            My PM is not accessible through the forum… don’t know why… I will try to connect another way.

                                                                          • #145370
                                                                            Lloyd
                                                                            Participant

                                                                              Lloyd,
                                                                              My PM is not accessible through the forum… don’t know why… I will try to connect another way.

                                                                              Emailed you.

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                                                                            • #145378
                                                                              Short Stroke
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                                                                                I do believe the fatality rate is much lower than is being calculated. My sister-in-law tested positive a few weeks ago, and experienced flu-like symptoms. She did not self quarantine aside from staying home, and neither my brother (her husband) nor their children have gotten sick.

                                                                                I work in a building where many people from China traveled to two months ago. I had a cold a week after their arrival that made me incredibly tired for a week. A week later, two of my children had 100 degree fevers and no other symptoms (I only checked their temperatures because their cheeks were uncharacteristically pink). My pregnant wife has had no symptoms. I can’t say that I got it, but it was at least an interesting coincidence.

                                                                              • #145391
                                                                                DiznNC
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                                                                                  Yeah I have heard (and even experienced) similar anecdotal evidence, which suggests the virus arrived much sooner than was thought, infected a lot of folks, who were then asymptomatic, and/or got a slight cold and recovered. So yeah I agree, the official figures are probably skewed.

                                                                                  I had a cold in December which I thought was my usual sinus infection, but now I wonder.

                                                                                  But here’s a news flash: stay away from densely populated areas like NYC. I have a nephew who is a musician there and I wish he’d get the fuck out of there.

                                                                                • #145592
                                                                                  M1-Guy
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                                                                                    From Economist Danielle DiMartino Booth. Very smart, wrote an excellent book titled Fed Up and her knowledge is based upon experience. She was an advisor to Richard Fisher, President of the Dallas Fed. The following is a link to an interview on YouTube recently released. It is just over 10 minutes.

                                                                                    Unemployment claims for the past 3 weeks has been 16.5 million which is understated by technical issues at the state level. That represents approx. 10% of the work force and is just getting started.

                                                                                    The CV pops the bubble.

                                                                                    Buckle up.

                                                                                    Arthur

                                                                                  • #145597
                                                                                    Anonymous
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                                                                                      IMHO I don’t blame some of these medical professionals for being a bit paranoid about the virus. Us gun guys get paranoid whenever there’s a new bill going forward because we see where it could go if left unchecked, medical folks get paranoid because they can see where a viral outbreak will go if left unchecked. We’re all preparing for the worst possible outcomes.

                                                                                      That said the media loves a good scare to keep people glued to their screens, also when you’ve got folks ignoring good advice to have parties or go to church that gives the statists cause to suggest that we need strong central authority or everyone will die. :wacko:

                                                                                      Listen to the subject matter experts, not the government.

                                                                                    • #145598
                                                                                      wheelsee
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                                                                                        Listen to the subject matter experts, not the government.

                                                                                        Ummm no. The “SME” are the ones “advising” the government.

                                                                                        I DO suggest reading, watching, talking with people on the front lines. Granted, you’ll only get the local level info, but with enough local information, one can start gaining insight to the bigger picture.

                                                                                      • #145603
                                                                                        Max
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                                                                                        • #145620
                                                                                          Spencer
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                                                                                            http://www.alt-market.com/index.php/articles/4184-how-to-protect-yourself-from-long-term-pandemic-lockdown

                                                                                            This article seriously messes with my new abnormal normalcy bias. Thanks Max!

                                                                                            DCH 10/2019
                                                                                            H.E.A.T. 1 12/2019

                                                                                          • #145726
                                                                                            Anonymous
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                                                                                              CNN: China is restricting research into the origins of COVID-19.

                                                                                              https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/12/asia/china-coronavirus-research-restrictions-intl-hnk/index.html

                                                                                              Also CNN: 30% of Americans believe this totally not true, completely implausible explanation for the origins of COVID-19.

                                                                                              https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/13/us/coronavirus-made-in-lab-poll-trnd/index.html

                                                                                            • #145739
                                                                                              Lloyd
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                                                                                                CNN: …

                                                                                                They don’t call it the “Communist News Network” for nothing!

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                                                                                                Former Sapper
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                                                                                                    tahawus
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