Boots, Boots, Boots!

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    • #107327
      Trailrunner
      Participant

        What’s your choice for boots these days?

        Use: MVT, Hunt, working outside

        These were recommended:

        http://www.danner.com/usmc-rat-8-mojave-gtx.html

        Every time I hear this topic and MVT rucking mentioned, I think of this:

        Boots – Rudyard Kipling
        INFANTRY COLUMNS

        We’re foot—slog—slog—slog—sloggin’ over Africa —
        Foot—foot—foot—foot—sloggin’ over Africa —
        (Boots—boots—boots—boots—movin’ up an’ down again!)
        There’s no discharge in the war!

        Seven—six—eleven—five—nine-an’-twenty mile to-day —
        Four—eleven—seventeen—thirty-two the day before —
        (Boots—boots—boots—boots—movin’ up an’ down again!)
        There’s no discharge in the war!

        Don’t—don’t—don’t—don’t—look at what’s in front of you.
        (Boots—boots—boots—boots—movin’ up an’ down again);
        Men—men—men—men—men go mad with watchin’ em,
        An’ there’s no discharge in the war!

        Try—try—try—try—to think o’ something different —
        Oh—my—God—keep—me from goin’ lunatic!
        (Boots—boots—boots—boots—movin’ up an’ down again!)
        There’s no discharge in the war!

        Count—count—count—count—the bullets in the bandoliers.
        If—your—eyes—drop—they will get atop o’ you!
        (Boots—boots—boots—boots—movin’ up an’ down again) —
        There’s no discharge in the war!

        We—can—stick—out—’unger, thirst, an’ weariness,
        But—not—not—not—not the chronic sight of ’em —
        Boot—boots—boots—boots—movin’ up an’ down again,
        An’ there’s no discharge in the war!

        ‘Taint—so—bad—by—day because o’ company,
        But night—brings—long—strings—o’ forty thousand million
        Boots—boots—boots—boots—movin’ up an’ down again.
        There’s no discharge in the war!

        I—’ave—marched—six—weeks in ‘Ell an’ certify
        It—is—not—fire—devils, dark, or anything,
        But boots—boots—boots—boots—movin’ up an’ down again,
        An’ there’s no discharge in the war!

        Jocko Podcast 88 w/ Echo Charles – Importance of Fortitude. “Excursion To Hell”

      • #107328
        xsquidgator
        Participant

          I got a pair of these that I like pretty well:
          Belleville Tactical Research QRF Alpha C9 Hot Weather Assault Boot

          For walking and hiking, I think they’re great. I’ve run the 2miler test with the 35# pack in these, and while the boots are comfortable and don’t hurt my feet, the soles seem pretty thick and inflexible compared to running shoe soles. I can run a long ways in them, but, I am a lot slower running in these than in track shoes. At various events and MVT classes, I see people wearing boots that look more like tennis shoes with ankle support, and think something like that would be better.

          But for general purpose going into the woods boots, I like these just fine. Just not as much for trying to get a passing time on the 2 miler.

        • #107329
          Civilianresponder
          Participant

            I like the salomon quest 4d gtx. Feels like a tennis shoe but wears like a boot. Well padded and good support. The newer generation is the quest 4d 2 hrs. I wear these for everything except for work. Oil and grease eats the glue that holds the sole on. For work I use rocky s2v, they are comfortable and seem to be holding up well. I like that the soles are sewn on.

          • #107330
            BrigandActual
            Participant

              Salomon Forces Jungle Ultras

            • #107331
              First Sergeant
              Moderator

                Lowa. Take your pick depending on what you are doing.

                For most, the best would probably be the Renegade GTX.

                FILO
                Signal Out, Can You Identify
                Je ne regrette rien
                In Orbe Terrum Non Visi

              • #107332
                Joe (G.W.N.S.)
                Moderator

                  Tactical Research Mini-Mil Transition Coyote Boot (TR115), now the TR511 (AR 670-1 Compliant version).

                  Not for everyone, but the best I have used for my area.

                • #107333
                  Socks
                  Participant

                    Lowa zephyr for spring-summer-fall but I need to figure something out for winter wear. Specifically for Michigan winters….

                  • #107334
                    farmer
                    Participant

                      As far as true to life sizing on the different boot brands, were they tight loose, etc? How about narrow or wide fits on the different feet?

                    • #107335
                      Trailrunner
                      Participant

                        My concerns would be durability long term. Many of these options are glue and plastic. Not stitched down, durable materials. They must work and certainly have there place but I am looking for some long term use and rebuilding if needed.

                      • #107336
                        Virgil Kane
                        Participant

                          Danner is good boots and I have/had several pairs. Their military boot sizing is a little different than their other boots. Apparently there is a DOD sizing standard. I wear a smaller size with the DOD boots.

                        • #107337
                          Joe (G.W.N.S.)
                          Moderator

                            My concerns would be durability long term.

                            You’ll need to define what you consider “long-term.”

                            In my experience boots are consumables with a set service life based on use, environment, and materials.

                            Durability needs to be balanced with performance, the ultimate in durability will have poor performance.

                            What works well in one environment, many times is a poor choice in another.

                          • #107338
                            JohnnyMac
                            Participant

                              I’m working through my second pair of Lowa Zephyrs

                            • #107339
                              Pinky
                              Participant

                                Lowa – you cannot go wrong. I also have some solomon quest 4D GTX’s that have been great so far. super comfortable

                              • #107340
                                First Sergeant
                                Moderator

                                  My concerns would be durability long term.

                                  You’ll need to define what you consider “long-term.”

                                  In my experience boots are consumables with a set service life based on use, environment, and materials.

                                  Durability needs to be balanced with performance, the ultimate in durability will have poor performance.

                                  What works well in one environment, many times is a poor choice in another.

                                  What Joe said.

                                  Boots are a consumable. Most people wear them way longer than they should.

                                  FILO
                                  Signal Out, Can You Identify
                                  Je ne regrette rien
                                  In Orbe Terrum Non Visi

                                • #107341
                                  Trailrunner
                                  Participant

                                    I would agree on the durability points Of all the many options we have these days. The life span of most glue soles and plastic uppers are designed with planned obsolescence and to be wonder whiz bang comfort Gofasters. I am not trying to take away from those. Likely this is my legacy experiences with traditional shoes that are made to be repaired and resoled when they wear out. Many can be used for several years with this maintence by a good company or cobbler. I’ve done this with many shoes and boots. Running or trail shoes fall into this disposable category. I would welcome all options at this point. I just have the most experience or recommended the traditional route. The Lowa boots look great. I will check them next time I’m near a REI.

                                  • #107342
                                    Joe (G.W.N.S.)
                                    Moderator

                                      I would welcome all options at this point.

                                      It would be helpful to know the environment of intended use, since as you stated there are many options.

                                    • #107343
                                      norman
                                      Participant

                                        Asolo TPS 520. Full grain leather. European made (Romania). Resoleable. I had a pair last me 6 or 7 years of hard constant use; they would have gone longer if I took better care of the leather. I am on my third pair in 12 years and they are quite like new. They come in Wide, which is uncommon and necessary for me.

                                        • #111267
                                          leam
                                          Participant

                                            Looked at a lot of 1 Star reviews on Amazon. It seems like the quality and support have dropped since you made the comment in 2017. I was hoping for a Wide option.

                                            • #111276
                                              Joe (G.W.N.S.)
                                              Moderator

                                                What type of environment are you using boots in and what’s your budget.

                                                Size?

                                              • #111283
                                                leam
                                                Participant

                                                  Hey Joe, does the forum have an “Introductions” section? Brand new here and don’t want to bore you to death.

                                                  I have decent hiking boots, an old body, and a plan to get my largish rear end up and moving. The plan boils down to “shoot more, enjoy it, and use something like the MVT Functional Fitness Assessment as a milestone.” We live in coastal SC, USA, where the heat index can beat 110 routinely but the terrain is urban.

                                                  The first environment will be shooting matches: Steel Challenge and NRL22, so not much moving. The plan says if I work the back section of 2019 right then 2020 might include some training. Maybe in W.Va, but not in winter. I’ve seen people drive up there!

                                                  The secondary environment is church. I’m doing the paperwork and process for the Security team and I need to be able to move on man made surface for a couple of hours straight.

                                                  My walking shoes are size 13 to cover the width. I need to verify that a 12 Wide might be a better fit. Using the boots I have gives me time to save up for a good pair, when I can work them well. Prices seem to be in the ~$300 range for the ones listed above. Right now I can’t justify that; my back needs to get stronger and my belly needs to get smaller. In six months, well, it should be doable.

                                                  Make sense?

                                                • #111287
                                                  wheelsee
                                                  Participant

                                                    First – go to any good shoe store and be properly measured for both length and width. Don’t try to second-guess. Get actual measurements. Our feet change as we age.

                                                    Second – it doesn’t require $300-400 for a good solid pair of boots.

                                                    Third – based off your descriptions, you may do better having 2 different pairs (for different purposes), or not – this is strictly my opinion. I will say – your feet are your basic platforms, if they hurt, your performance will be affected, and you’ll be seeing your podiatrist or foot specialist at some point in time.

                                                  • #111289
                                                    leam
                                                    Participant

                                                      Putting the Plan in Motion, I just added a mile to my Vasque #7466, Size 13M, boots. Felt pretty good, I have decent socks. Heat index at almost noon is ~98 F.

                                                    • #113715
                                                      wheelsee
                                                      Participant

                                                        Re: socks

                                                        I’m on my feet 15 hrs a day, on concrete. I quit using cotton long ago, moving to wool.

                                                        There are a variety of wool found at several different sporting good stores.

                                                        The best I’ve found are SmartWool and DarnTough – I’ve chosen to go with DarnTough as they have a lifetime guarantee, wear them out? They replace for free. Retail usually runs ~ $20 but you can find them on sale ~$10-15 at specialty sporting goods (REI, etc) if you’re patient.

                                                        My feet don’t hurt anymore. Thick wool provides good cushioning and is comfortable, even in 112F

                                                      • #111361
                                                        Joe (G.W.N.S.)
                                                        Moderator

                                                          Introductions in the Lounge subforum, I had to sticky it back since site update.👍

                                                          Wheelsee is correct you can find some great boots for far less if you search.

                                                          Getting a true measured size is the first step.

                                                          Different brands have variations, but I sometimes find a particular brand in retail just to verify. Then order better price online.

                                                          My go to boots retail in the $130 range and was happy to get a pair for $96. Then Army changed designated color option and they had leftover stock that couldn’t be used by Military members. This led to clearance pricing the best deal I found was $30, since boots are a consumable item, I now have 9 pairs which should last me a very longtime! 😁

                                                          I’ve had great luck with Belleville. Consider looking at their options, but post here before buying unless a true steal. Might be able to point you in a direction for great clearance sales.

                                                    • #107344
                                                      Trailrunner
                                                      Participant

                                                        MVT Region is where these will be used.

                                                      • #107345
                                                        Brushpopper
                                                        Participant

                                                          Have never tried Lowa, but have heard good things about them. I have been wearing (not every day) for the past year the Salomon Quest 4D GTX, and they have been holding up really well. I’ve worn them to work out in the brush and for PT. Very comfortable too.

                                                        • #107346
                                                          Bob
                                                          Participant

                                                            Danner Acadia. Been using ’em for three years. Great all around boot.

                                                            Bob

                                                          • #107347
                                                            Corvette
                                                            Participant

                                                              Danner fits my feet well, I have one pair of Tachyons (non-Gore-Tex) for summer, and one pair of Gore-Tex Tachyons for spring and fall. They are lightweight and good for training, but I am getting a pair of the Tanicus this next time. They are more heavy duty. I have a pair of insulated and Gore-Tex Matterhorns for winter.

                                                            • #107348
                                                              Roadkill
                                                              Participant

                                                                Guys please, I beg of you, check out the AKU Pilgrims. I have an old pair of AKU’s and this Pilgrim will be my next boot. Canadian Special Forces uses them, and I believe some Brit units. Check them out on YouTube to see how they’re made. They also make a boot that SEALs are using that are lighter weight and no gortex, for wet or hot conditions.

                                                              • #107349
                                                                wheelsee
                                                                Participant

                                                                  I’ve been wearing the Merrell Moab 2 for the past 3 years with good results – have worn from AK to HI and 3 years worth of S TX for MVT. I did have to change the sole insert in HI as my feet were starting to hurt. So far, no shredding of the soles (including walking over lava rock). Ended up buying my wife and daughter a pair also for these trips and though they don’t wear them as often around the house, I haven’t heard any complaints when they do wear…..

                                                                  I bought a pair of Asolo Flame GTX for some hiking in CO this summer, will update afterwards. Though I can tell they are on my feet (a bit heavier than my Merrell’s).

                                                                • #107350
                                                                  tango
                                                                  Participant

                                                                    For boots I have had very good luck with these insoles from Timberland. Superfeet are the worst thing that ever happened to my feet and I will not ever use them again. These insoles are in my Garmonts T8 Bifidas and Danner/Wellco/Belleville MCB (same thing as Crater Rim).

                                                                  • #107351
                                                                    GreenTip
                                                                    Participant

                                                                      Merrell MOAB.

                                                                    • #107352
                                                                      First Sergeant
                                                                      Moderator

                                                                        Lowa

                                                                        FILO
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                                                                      • #107353
                                                                        wheelsee
                                                                        Participant

                                                                          Ended up with these – https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B074TWPSH5/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

                                                                          Wore them in my Merrell’s last night at work….. comfortable……will update once I have more time with them…..

                                                                        • #107354
                                                                          JohnnyMac
                                                                          Participant

                                                                            My top boots:
                                                                            -Lowa Zephyr (goretex)
                                                                            -GoRuck boots (nongoretex)

                                                                          • #107355
                                                                            RobRoy
                                                                            Participant

                                                                              I bought some Marine Corps RATs rejects thru a surplus sales place sight unseen, lesson learned. Becky the inspector at Bates passed them, the USMC rejected them and I bought them and do they kill the feet. Lesson try on the footwear, then buy.

                                                                            • #107356
                                                                              Roadkill
                                                                              Participant

                                                                                I was going to go with the AKU Pilgrims, I decided to go with the Aku NS564 Spider. This boot replaced my old Spider. This is an updated version. Great for rucking. This is a fantastic super well built boot. This is a boot used by SEALs, but the again everyone says that crap. These though are extremely well built. If you order them make sure you order US size, because it’s a half size different than the European sizes. I can’t say enough about these.

                                                                              • #111279
                                                                                wheelsee
                                                                                Participant

                                                                                  I wear Merrells the majority of the time (see my previous post for inserts).

                                                                                  I picked these ( https://www.sierra.com/asolo-flame-gore-tex-hiking-boots-waterproof-for-men~p~9051c/?filterString=mens-boots~d~137%2Fasolo~b~1120%2F ) up for more serious hiking where needed more support. There was NO break-in period, other than my feet getting used to being supported so much better, but the boots themselves needed none. They do feel a bit heavier than the Merrells.

                                                                                  As always, depends on what your purpose for them are……

                                                                                • #113717
                                                                                  veritas556
                                                                                  Participant

                                                                                    Really enjoy my various Salomon – from the XA Pro 3d to the Ultra winter boot. Just picked up a screaming deal on the Quest Forces 4D (non Goretex version). Super comfy and at $80 (normally $230) you can’t go wrong.

                                                                                    https://www.botach.com/salomon-l38159500-quest-4d-forces-burro-mountain-boots/

                                                                                  • #113722
                                                                                    TC
                                                                                    Participant

                                                                                      Garmont T8 Bifida in Sage are on closeout for $60. Free shipping over $99. USMC uses these in Coyote if I’m not mistaken. I love mine. Did rucking today with these. Sizing/fit is same as sneakers.

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