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    • #103352
      Joe (G.W.N.S.)
      Moderator

        From a earlier M9/92FS Beretta Thread.

        Some have had a problem with inadvertently activating safety when manipulating slide during malfunction drills (hasn’t been a issue for me), but since like First Sergeant I only use it as a decker anyway I have considered having Allegheny Gun Works in Pennsylvania convert “FS” Safety to “G” Type Decock only, however I am glad I waited since Beretta has announced a “no gunsmith” replacement lever option. Will post a Thread when available.

        Beretta U.S.A. has released the M9A3 G Conversion Kit for $55.00.

        To clarify, “no gunsmith” in this context means no machine work needed which was previously the only way to modify a FS to G model.

        Someone familiar with their Berettas inner workings and is mechanically inclined should not have much difficulty with this install, but having a gunsmith install parts should be relatively inexpensive.

        The M9A3 G conversion kit allows for you to convert your standard F/FS series 92/96 or M9A3 to “G”, or decock only.

        This kit allows for the user to safely decock the hammer and returns the firearm immediately to firing condition upon releasing the levers.

        Compatible with all 92/96F to FS series pistols as well as M9, M9A1, and M9A3.

        Incompatible with 92SB series I and 92S series pistols.

        Gunsmith installation strongly recommended.

        G-Kit Instruction

        I am excited about this modification and will post a review once I get one.

        Unfortunately Beretta U.S.A. started with something like 300 parts kits to gauge interest.

        They sold out in one day!

        They supposedly have more parts available due to their M9A3 production, but we’ll see how long it takes them to package up some more kits.

        Either way since this is hardly a required change, just a preference, I can wait a little while longer.

        The only other thing on my Beretta wish list is the M9A3 factory threaded barrel.

      • #103353
        BrigandActual
        Participant

          I didn’t see anything about 92A1 compatibility. Once again, the 92A1 is a great shooter, but shitty aftermarket support compared to the rest of the Beretta lineup.

        • #103354
          Joe (G.W.N.S.)
          Moderator

            I didn’t see anything about 92A1 compatibility.

            While the 92A1 slide is somewhat different, it uses the same safety/decock lever as any other 92.

            I would contact Beretta support or you could read through this Beretta Forum Thread and see if it mentions this.

          • #103355
            BrigandActual
            Participant

              I didn’t see anything about 92A1 compatibility.

              While the 92A1 slide is somewhat different, it uses the same safety/decock lever as any other 92.

              I would contact Beretta support or you could read through this Beretta Forum Thread and see if it mentions this.

              I did some digging through the forum, it seems that guys are installing it just fine onto the 92A1. I definitely think this is a worthy modification, though I may wait a bit. I was planning on sending my 92A1 off to Wilson Combat as a “retirement” gift for myself, and I don’t know if the WC safety lever would work with the new G kit.

            • #103356
              First Sergeant
              Moderator

                I have been contemplating getting an M9 because I spent so much time with one while I was in. This mod just might push me to get one.

                Thanks for the heads up.

                FILO
                Signal Out, Can You Identify
                Je ne regrette rien
                In Orbe Terrum Non Visi

              • #103357
                Joe (G.W.N.S.)
                Moderator

                  I have been contemplating getting an M9 because I spent so much time with one while I was in.

                  That’s why I got mine when I retired, had plenty of related gear and little interest in starting over with something else.

                • #103358
                  Sam Brady
                  Participant

                    I have never shot or owned the M-9. Yesterday a friend brought a Wilson modified M-9 over to my house. Without a doubt the smoothest double action trigger I have ever pulled. The modification of the safety is outstanding.
                    I could owning and using one of these. The safety is a great modify to spring back to the firing position after decocking. It is very well done.
                    Once again I learned something by being open minded. I think if you are going to carry one of these pistols, the modified de-cocker is a must have option.

                  • #103359
                    Joe (G.W.N.S.)
                    Moderator

                      The M9/92 Series pistols are excellent pistols and a competent Gunsmith familiar with them can make them even better.

                      Since Sam brings up Wilson’s work; which is excellent, here is some amplifying information.

                      Wilson Combat started doing Beretta Custom Work a couple of years ago and offers a few retail offerings in cooperation with Beretta USA.

                      Bill Wilson, owner of Wilson Combat, has teamed up with Beretta specialist Ernest Langdon for this new project. “I have been shooting the Beretta 92 series pistols for almost 30 years,” explained Langdon. Langdon runs Langdon Tactical Technology, an advanced handgun and rifle training facility. “I can honestly say that I can think of no one better than Wilson Combat to build custom parts and do custom work on your Beretta handguns.”

                      And while this is the first time Wilson Combat is doing large-scale custom work on Beretta handguns, they are not new to the job.

                      “The Model 92 is the only service pistol that I shoot as well as a 1911,” said Wilson. “The guys at Wilson Combat have customized several model 92s for me, so it just seemed natural for us to offer these services to our customers. Besides it created an economic reason to do some of the cool stuff I personally wanted.”

                      Wilson Combat Beretta Custom Work

                      Wilson Combat Accessories for Beretta 92/96

                      My biggest problem with Wilson is due to it’s excellent reputation and popularity is the wait which can be substantial at times.

                      An excellent alternative to Wilson is Josh at Allegheny Gun Works.

                      He does excellent Beretta work and has a line of custom Beretta parts and can do anything you want.


                      Full build-out 92 Frame-Safety Brigadier. It started life as a standard FS frame, and we converted it to an ambi frame-safety SAO with machine-cut checkering and our exclusive Speedbump modified trigger. The addition of Novak rear sights and a custom 10kt gold insert front round out the pistol.

                      Allegheny Gun Works, LLC. is a Pennsylvania owned and operated gunsmith facility specializing in the repair and customizing of handguns and military-style weapons.

                      We are THE factory recommended custom shop for Beretta 92 series pistols and offer a full compliment of exclusive modifications, parts and services for the same. While we at AGW are capable of completing most types of firearms work, we choose to limit our scope to modern handguns and popular fighting rifles to ensure that our products reflect the most up-to-date techniques and technology available in the industry.

                      Joshua Rowe, owner and lead gunsmith at Allegheny Gun Works, is a US Air Force veteran with over 17 years of experience in the firearms industry. He has worked as a Small Arms Repairer for the DoD, served as Senior Armorer and assistant firearms instructor for the Baghdad Embassy Security Force (BESF) and as a Small Arms Repair Center (SASC) technician at Bagram Air Base, Afghanistan. He is a factory trained and certified armorer for many top firearms manufacturers such as Colt, FN, Glock, Smith & Wesson and Remington, and a fully certified master gunsmith and graduate of the Pennsylvania Gunsmith School in Avalon, PA.

                      Allegheny Gun Works, LLC. (site is undergoing a revamp)

                      Allegheny Gun Works facebook

                      Josh would be my first choice to work on my Beretta.

                    • #103360
                      Sam Brady
                      Participant

                        Forgive my atrocious grammar in my previous post!

                      • #103361
                        Joe (G.W.N.S.)
                        Moderator

                          Forgive my atrocious grammar in my previous post!

                          No need, we all have those days.

                          :good:

                        • #103362
                          Joe (G.W.N.S.)
                          Moderator

                            So I finally ordered a conversion kit, while I was very interested in this modification the timing always seemed off. I would remember to order it and Beretta would be out of stock, then it would be off my radar when in stock. :unsure:

                            I hope to install this today and will report back on how it went.

                            Additionally it gives me a good excuse to get some shooting in since I always run at least 250 rounds through a firearm after any modification to ensure function.

                          • #103363
                            Joe (G.W.N.S.)
                            Moderator

                              As you remove safety the only part you reuse is the firing pin plunger. Beretta included two of everything (springs and pins) except levers which is cool in case you lose one under pressure.

                              One roll pin gave me problems with original safety removal, but decocker installed fairly trouble free. Patience and a steady hand are required, but shouldn’t be too much problem for the mechanically inclined.

                              So I am the happy owner of Beretta M9 G.

                              There have been some complaints about looks of right side decock lever. It isn’t as streamlined as right side stamped safety lever, but despite appearances it is actually slightly narrower.

                              I feel function is far more important than any cosmetic concern, but I also don’t think it looks bad, just different.

                            • #103364
                              First Sergeant
                              Moderator

                                Nice.

                                This completely fell of my radar also.

                                FILO
                                Signal Out, Can You Identify
                                Je ne regrette rien
                                In Orbe Terrum Non Visi

                              • #103365
                                Joe (G.W.N.S.)
                                Moderator

                                  Yea I am extremely happy with this modification.

                                  Something overlooked by many regarding the Beretta M9/92 series pistol is the short-recoil delayed locking-block system. This makes the M9 one of the best platforms to host a sound suppressor. Requiring no booster or change of recoil springs when carefully choosing the correct suppressor.

                                  Combined with proper subsonic ammo it is as close to Hollywood db reduction as is possible, yet still have excellent stopping ability.

                                  So my next addition will be the Extended Threaded Barrel.

                                  – Caliber: 9 mm
                                  – 1/2×28 thread pitch
                                  – Length: 5″ (127mm)
                                  – External Finishing: Steel, matte
                                  – Internal Finishing: Chromed
                                  $199 with frequent sales available.

                                • #103366
                                  Joe (G.W.N.S.)
                                  Moderator

                                    A quick update on my “G” conversion on my M9 Beretta.

                                    I’ve put 450 rounds through it since installing conversion, performed flawlessly as expected!

                                    I couldn’t be more happy with this installation.

                                    Another thought…

                                    I have never shot or owned the M-9. Yesterday a friend brought a Wilson modified M-9 over to my house. Without a doubt the smoothest double action trigger I have ever pulled.

                                    My biggest problem with Wilson is due to it’s excellent reputation and popularity is the wait, which can be substantial at times.

                                    An excellent alternative to Wilson is Josh at Allegheny Gun Works.

                                    Here is another option for a Beretta 92 Series trigger job.

                                    Most serious Beretta 92 fans should know of Ernest Langdon, for those that aren’t…

                                    He also has this venture:

                                    Langdon Tactical, Inc. specializes in firearms training, consulting, custom trigger jobs and gun work.

                                    Here’s a interesting product…

                                    TRIGGER JOB IN A BAG – BERETTA 92 SERIES $165.00

                                    After several thousand trigger jobs on Beretta 92s and PX4s, LTT has the process down to a formula. We now offer what we call “Trigger Job in a Bag”. Purchase this kit to receive all of the important parts involved in a trigger job that are pre-polished and stoned to give you close to the same trigger job you would get if you sent it to us.

                                    92 Series Trigger Job in a Bag includes; Wilson Combat Ultimate Trigger bar, Elite II hammer, Sear, Sear Spring, Trigger Spring, Hammer Strut, and Wilson Combat Reduced Power Hammer Spring.

                                    If you want a different Spring (12#, 13#, 14#) than what is available, please note it in your order notes.

                                    While not a new option, I finally had an opportunity to fire one installed on a acquaintances Beretta. I was extremely impressed.

                                    This maybe the perfect option for those that are impatient waiting or dislike having their primary CCW away at a gunsmith.

                                    I am considering this option myself, but think I will ask about swapping Elite II hammer for a Spurless hammer.


                                    Elite II hammer


                                    Spurless hammer

                                  • #103367
                                    Joe (G.W.N.S.)
                                    Moderator

                                      A easy swap for most!

                                    • #103368
                                      Joe (G.W.N.S.)
                                      Moderator

                                        As noted in other Threads I’ve been having difficulty seeing my pistol sights.

                                        Have been exploring various options.

                                        Standard Sights on my M9.

                                        This is my first attempt at a solution.

                                        I blacked out rear half moon dot and applied Testor’s florescent Red to Front Sight White dot.

                                        This is much better for me!

                                        The photo doesn’t do this modification justice, it appears much brighter than depicted.

                                        I lack the knowledge to properly explain all the various factors related to aging eyes, but this is a significant improvement.

                                        I may apply this Red to entire rear of Front Sight to duplicate old revolver Front sight inserts popular back in the day, but will wait a week to evaluate current modification.

                                      • #103369
                                        Joe (G.W.N.S.)
                                        Moderator

                                          In the past I’ve been satisfied with stock pistols, I would chose one equipped close enough for my needs and leave it.

                                          Times change.

                                          The magazine release on my M9 has been adequate, I could just operate it without changing my grip.

                                          So I decided to try swapping it out with a larger one and a Beretta 25% off Independence Day sale was a bonus.

                                          I purchased the Magazine Release with the same profile, but it’s 1.7mm longer which is just enough to make a difference without being a problem.

                                          It’s working well and is just a bit easier to use.

                                          A solid $15.75 investment. ;-)

                                        • #103370
                                          A_A_Ron2guns
                                          Participant

                                            I shot an M9 today for the first time in a long time and I’d forgotten how easy they are to shoot. I really do want an A3.

                                          • #103371
                                            Joe (G.W.N.S.)
                                            Moderator

                                              I shot an M9 today for the first time in a long time and I’d forgotten how easy they are to shoot. I really do want an A3.

                                              The M9 is in a golden age at the moment IMHO.

                                              M9

                                              M9A1

                                              Langdon M9

                                              What Makes the Langdon M9 Unique:

                                              Steel Trigger and trigger spring
                                              “D” Hammer spring
                                              Gen-3 locking block kit (surpasses Mil-Spec standards)
                                              “G” conversion kit

                                              92 ELITE LTT

                                              The Beretta 92 Elite LTT, built in partnership with Ernest Langdon of Langdon Tactical, is the ‘Ultimate 92 Package’, incorporating many features including the Vertec/M9A3 slide and M9A1 Frame that Beretta shooters have always loved.

                                              M9A3

                                              Available in black now.

                                              Pretty much any variation you could imagine is currently available!

                                            • #103372
                                              Joe (G.W.N.S.)
                                              Moderator

                                                I’ve always stayed with Beretta magazines and have never had a magazine related issue.

                                                One exception was a extremely high round count magazine, the synthetic follower had a grove worn into it from the hold open feature, this grove prevented engagement of the slide lock on last round.

                                                Replaced follower and never had a further issue.

                                                I track how many rounds through my firearms, but not individual magazines. I estimate it had thousands through it. Since this hasn’t happened to other high round count magazines I suspect the follower was defective.

                                                I have a large number of magazines for my M9.

                                                I have heard good things about Mec-Gar Magazines, but hadn’t felt the need to try them since I have so many magazines already.

                                                Mec-Gar makes a 20 round Beretta magazine that only is 5/8″ longer than a standard magazine.

                                                Between the latest M17 high capacity magazines and a general deteriorating world I decided to give this Mec-Gar 20 round Magazine a test run.

                                                They have a listed MSRP of $46.50, but I found one for $25.00.

                                                I fired 260 trouble free rounds through it, this provided the confidence to order two more.

                                                My standard is to carry two spare magazines. So with one extra round chambered for a EDC of 46 rounds (15, 15, 15 1).

                                                Assuming the two I have ordered perform as well, these Mec-Gar 20 rounders would increase this to a EDC of 61 rounds for that slight increase of 5/8″ in length.

                                                Is it needed?

                                                Hopefully not, but the 5/8″ doesn’t effect my concealment (YMMV) and would provide the equivalent of four magazines. ;-)

                                                Will update when I receive and test the two that I ordered.

                                              • #103373
                                                Joe (G.W.N.S.)
                                                Moderator

                                                  So I am happy with the Mec-Gar 20 round Magazines and they are as easily concealed as standard Beretta magazines.

                                                  So during the Pre-Black Friday sales Beretta USA had the 30 round magazines on sale for $22 each (list around $40) and while I already had a four of them I thought why not!

                                                  Ordered 3 more with free ground shipping on Sunday and they arrived today.

                                                  I certainly forget how difficult loading these are when brand new, they get easier with time.

                                                  So why 30 rounders?

                                                  Yea I could make the case that keeping them in vehicle for a mob situation, but they are most likely to be used for fun plinking. ;-)

                                                  Also I have been drooling over Wilson Combat’s AR9B pistol, they are available for either Beretta and Glock magazines. These magazines would be excellent for this.

                                                  a

                                                  Above is a AR9G equipped with a MRO, Gear Head Works Tail hook 2 brace, and a suppressor.

                                                  So for concealed carry it would be a stretch to consider these, but fun is certainly a good enough reason IMHO. ;-)

                                                • #123224
                                                  RobRoy
                                                  Participant

                                                    An extreme test of a 92 with G mod

                                                  • #123272
                                                    Joe (G.W.N.S.)
                                                    Moderator

                                                      Interesting video, but in my experience in pretty much every type of environment; over six of the seven continents, I’ve never had a problem with any issues weapon caused by environment.

                                                      When M9 aftermarket magazines had problem I just used my own Beretta magazines. The problem with magazines was some bean counter decided parkerized were a good idea. Sand and parkerizing inside magazines are a bad day idea. Those too cheap to bring their own magazines had a fix, polish the internal magazine housing.

                                                      Sand, dust, mud, snow, and ice can cause problems in any weapon. That is why different SOP’s apply to different conditions.

                                                      In my career I’ve carried .38 revolvers (yes they were an issue item in my early career), 1911A1, M9, M16A1, Mossberg 500, M16A2, M4A1, and M16A3. They all had one thing in common, if I did my part they worked just fine. ;-)

                                                    • #123320
                                                      RobRoy
                                                      Participant

                                                        Even the Megcar mags had trouble they said. Thanks for the tip on the mags though even though my well kept 92 has been relegated to second tier status to a fantastic plastic gun I might need to keep it around.

                                                        “.38 revolvers” so how was your issue horse if I may ask? I wish the CMP could scour the warehouses for those revolvers, but I’ll bet all the good stuff gets destroyed.

                                                        I knew a guy who went thru Marine infantry school in early 79 and they still trained on the Browning air cooled .30 cal, another thing no doubt destroyed or sitting in a warehouse.

                                                        • This reply was modified 4 months, 2 weeks ago by RobRoy.
                                                      • #123345
                                                        Joe (G.W.N.S.)
                                                        Moderator

                                                          Even the Megcar mags had trouble they said.

                                                          Any magazine will fail if sufficient stuff gets into it, the trick is knowing your conditions and proper maintenance. If I just went through a sand storm, crawled through mud, or even went through some serious silt in a water crossing. I know to check my gear.

                                                          .38 revolvers” so how was your issue horse if I may ask?

                                                          Standard issue for many aircrews through at least the mid 1980’s not to mention as a after thought for some others.

                                                          The military has actually destroyed very few weapons, typically given as military aid packages, much of the LEO aid is older weapons.

                                                          Warehoused weapons and gear have a way of being discovered on occaision. Literally lost from the books tracking it.

                                                        • #123447
                                                          RobRoy
                                                          Participant

                                                            In one of the units I was a weapons custodian at the bottom of one my shipping crates was about a dozen 20 round colt mags still in the wrapper, totally off the books, If Id only knowed.

                                                          • #125345
                                                            Joe (G.W.N.S.)
                                                            Moderator

                                                              Here is some great information for those using any Beretta 92 variant.

                                                            • #140126
                                                              Joe (G.W.N.S.)
                                                              Moderator

                                                                Update…

                                                                As noted in other Threads I’ve been having difficulty seeing my pistol sights.

                                                                Have been exploring various options.


                                                                Original M9 sights.

                                                                I blacked out rear half moon dot and applied Testor’s florescent Red to Front Sight White dot.

                                                                This is much better for me!

                                                                Don’t have the picture with just the applied Testor’s florescent Red to Front Sight White dot.

                                                                I may apply this Red to entire rear of Front Sight to duplicate old revolver Front sight inserts popular back in the day, but will wait a week to evaluate current modification.

                                                                So I did to the old revolver Front sight insert look and couldn’t be happier!

                                                                Again the pictures don’t do this modification justice.

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