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    • #81271
      Max
      Keymaster

        I saw this on IG. Who has background on this? There is mention of training. Joe: any Intel assessment worth doing on the threat?

      • #81272
        Max
        Keymaster

          P.S. the first photo could be anyone showing up for MVT training. My point (not being that these guys could show up to MVT): this goes to my point about ‘The Boogaloo’ and not knowing who the hell is who.

          We already have our resident commie Rampantraptor on the site already…. :yahoo:

        • #81273
          hellokitty
          Participant

            Rifle and Gear is so clean. Screams airsoft community. Most likely that is the training they mention. And in TN and GA it is very common for young guys to grow beards. Including the keyboard commandos in mom’s basement. Antifa is trying to cultivate an “operator” look. Notice they have they bearded operators up front. But study the twits behind them. Fresh out of moms basement.

            HEAT 1(CTT) X 3
            HEAT 2 (CP) X1
            FOF X3
            OPFOR X2
            CLC X2
            RIFLEMAN

          • #81274
            tango
            Participant

              They have good looking gear and it’s organized properly. Yes it’s clean, but they live in an urban area. They are exhibiting signs of growth and organization which should be alarming.

              These groups have demonstrated willingness to commit violence. They should absolutely be taken seriously.

              Interested to see what Joe can come up with on this.

            • #81275
              Robert
              Participant

                A required Pledge of Allegiance right after the physical fitness test at MVT? Make them spit on a pic of Colin Kapercommie? Burn a tire? Help the homeless off their own dime (not advocate for gubmint funds to do that)? A required reading of the Naked Communist, Communism in our world or Animal Farm before attendance? Hell I have the cartoon DVD of Animal Farm you could use, therein no one would claim “educational restrictions via culture bias” limiting them from attendance because they can’t read…. or in case they don’t know what a Regatta is… LOL

                Seriously though, yes it looks like students as Max stated unfortunately.

              • #81276
                Joe (G.W.N.S.)
                Moderator

                  First here is what I posted to that IG post…

                  It’s easy to make fun of many of these Antifa types, but it is just as easy to make fun of many of the “Militia” fools as well!

                  Discount the potential threat these groups pose is ignorance in the highest order.

                  Just as the best trained and equipped citizens I know do not parade around at these events, I suspect the best that support Antifa ideals have other things to do while this fodder is doing their thing.

                  Lastly there are many former military; to include SOF, that are in the Socialist camp. Regardless that these are a minority of Veterans, they exist and represent a true threat to supporters of Rightful Liberty.

                  I do not fear this threat, but I will never assume my potential enemy is incompetent.

                  I’ll post some background shortly.

                • #81277
                  JohnnyMac
                  Participant

                    On a side note, and nothing new, but it’s WAAAY too ironic that they chose black/red as “anti-fascists”.

                  • #81278
                    trailman
                    Participant

                      Lastly there are many former military; to include SOF, that are in the Socialist camp. Regardless that these are a minority of Veterans, they exist and represent a true threat to supporters of Rightful Liberty.

                      Agreed. Also a note that if they were flying the Gadsden, they would be the lead on every main stream media outlet.

                    • #81279
                      RobRoy
                      Participant

                        The video camera our best weapon against commie clowns like this.

                      • #81280
                        Joe (G.W.N.S.)
                        Moderator
                        • #81281
                          Anonymous
                          Inactive

                            @Max
                            I was about to say we’ve already discussed Redneck Revolt here previously, thanks Joe for digging up the previous threads.


                            @JohnnyMac

                            Red and black are social anarchist colors; American Antifa and Redneck Revolt are mostly social anarchists – anarcho-communists, libertarian Marxists, anarcho-syndicalists, etc. The black is anarchism, the red is socialism. In a similar vein, the colors for anarcho-capitalism are yellow-black, green anarchism are green-black, mutualism are orange-black, Agorism are grey-black, etc.

                            The red bandana specifically alludes to the struggle of union miners at the turn of the last century during the Coal Wars, red bananas were a symbol of union mining. I’m not sure if you’re aware of the Battle of Blair Mountain, it was the largest armed uprising in US history post-Civil War, worth reading up on.

                            Redneck Revolt’s forte is (rather smartly) hearkening back to historical working-class American struggles rather than trying to copy-paste overseas leftism to the States a la Red Guards Austin. Unfortunately for RR they go hard on the leftist ideology as soon as you check out their web page, which isn’t going to win them converts past rural and southern folks who are already leftists, just my thoughts.

                            Some news have reported RR as the armed wing of Black Bloc which is pretty inaccurate – Black Bloc is a tactic rather than an organization.

                            I think this might be from a CNN report about Redneck Revolt, that guy with the Wu-Tang hat looks familiar.

                            I can’t find a link to the full report, might be on On-Demand or something like that.

                            The boogaloo/militia look is also intentional, some branches have made it a point to network with local militia groups to guide them away from white supremacist ideologies. I don’t know any RR personally to know how many are actually veterans, wouldn’t surprise me at all if there were cadres who were.

                            Don’t assume it’s airsoft because it’s lefties holding them, it’s the liberals that are scared of guns, most American leftists I know are as pro-gun as the rest of us here, even if they counter-intuitively support demsoc candidates, they talk the same gun talk, share the same boogaloo memes, etc. (Lefties overseas, it’s more of a mixed bag regarding guns.) Based on my own interactions with anarchists, disposition-wise most of them aren’t gunning for Plain Jane conservatives (again, RR is basically trying to infiltrate militia circles rather than violently confront them) but of course it’s worth noting their capabilities in case one or more branches are weaponized against us. Without any firsthand knowledge of these folks, I don’t assume they’re allies, I don’t assume they’re directly enemies either. RR have engaged in deconflicting with militia groups at some of these rallies before.

                            Really for groups like RR it’s decentralized enough (because both anarchism and logistics) that you’re better off viewing them as discrete groups under a common brand rather than a strictly hierarchical organization with unified goals. Some branches of RR have already split from the RR network over disputes regarding leadership and messaging towards minorities and reverted to the John Brown Gun Club branding they used previously.

                            …By the way I’m actually more mutualist than anything. I may be the “left-wing” of this forum but that still means I’m right-wing to every group of leftists I encounter. :whistle:

                          • #81282
                            Max
                            Keymaster

                              When were the photos featured taken? I’m trying to look up anything on YouTube but I don’t see anything really within 5 months….

                            • #81283
                              Joe (G.W.N.S.)
                              Moderator

                                I’ve been sidetracked with a neighbor’s Ford Freestyle starter problem. :negative:

                                Some of those pictures are from years ago, however the first one I believe is from Stone Mountain Georgia in January/February of this year.

                              • #81284
                                Anonymous
                                Inactive

                                  @Max, might be from a CNN documentary they did on Redneck Revolt like two months back, I posted a longer explanation earlier but the post disappeared.

                                • #81285
                                  Max
                                  Keymaster

                                    I saw your post and read it in my email. Where is it? Joe, where does the spam go?

                                  • #81286
                                    Joe (G.W.N.S.)
                                    Moderator

                                      however the first one I believe is from Stone Mountain Georgia

                                      I was wrong it’s Seatle, WA August 18, 2018.

                                      See the wall, look at the first picture.

                                      August 18, 2018

                                    • #81287
                                      Max
                                      Keymaster

                                        I found the comment in spam. Figured spam out. Approved it.

                                      • #81288
                                        Anonymous
                                        Inactive

                                          Ah thanks Joe, there’s the first post.

                                          Probably would have condensed that more if it didn’t disappear on me. :scratch:

                                        • #81289
                                          Joe (G.W.N.S.)
                                          Moderator

                                            Approved it.

                                            I was going to fix it, but we were working at same time.

                                            Anyway it looks like Acentworks pictures are random or mislabeled by where ever he got them. ;-)

                                          • #81290
                                            Robert
                                            Participant

                                              The boogaloo/militia look is also intentional, some branches have made it a point to network with local militia groups to guide them away from white supremacist ideologies. I don’t know any RR personally to know how many are actually veterans, wouldn’t surprise me at all if there were cadres who were.

                                              I’ve met TONS of “militia” types over the years as a course of business. To be clear, by “tons” I mean thousands. So the following is based on real world metrics- I have not met a SINGLE one that was a “white supremacist.”

                                            • #81291
                                              Joe (G.W.N.S.)
                                              Moderator

                                                Other than the fact that they are certainly growing in numbers there doesn’t seem to be much new information.

                                                By their own admission in their websites they certainly have many Veterans as members. They do travel regionally to make a greater impression than their real numbers should produce.

                                                The National propaganda media certainly ignores their presence at these events and they don’t get much mention at the local level.

                                                I’ll do some more research and update as necessary.

                                              • #81292
                                                Anonymous
                                                Inactive

                                                  The boogaloo/militia look is also intentional, some branches have made it a point to network with local militia groups to guide them away from white supremacist ideologies. I don’t know any RR personally to know how many are actually veterans, wouldn’t surprise me at all if there were cadres who were.

                                                  I’ve met TONS of “militia” types over the years as a course of business. To be clear, by “tons” I mean thousands. So the following is based on real world metrics- I have not met a SINGLE one that was a “white supremacist.”

                                                  On one hand, your insinuating the media, et al misrepresents your socialist comrades side of the coin, but on the other side of the coin you are doing the same fricking thing to the right wing side of the coin.

                                                  I think you would get a lot more receptive audience if you didn’t try to push that shit with every post. Obviously the CNN link speaks to what I mentioned previously about getting info from a f’ed up source.

                                                  I know well enough that most militia guys aren’t white supremacists (you could very roughly split them up by ideology into libertarians and nationalists at best), I figured maybe I should add such a caveat in parenthesis just to be clear because someone might get butthurt but I figured it was clear enough, that plus the post deleted on me so I couldn’t edit it any further. I’m sure you’re aware of the technical issues we’ve been having here lately, it’s particularly annoying to me because I tend to edit my posts heavily in the first few minutes after I post them and the forums have been bugging out on me as a result, I’ve been writing up bug reports to Joe quite frequently recently.

                                                  Just my guess, the RR folks are probably former liberals that went hard left if they weren’t red diaper babies, so their opinions regarding militia are colored by their own prior experiences and their media sources just as ours are, which for them insinuates that militia are synonymous with white nationalists. I really don’t have any animosity towards militia groups beyond shared concerns over the practicalities of “militia” as a term the same as anyone else here, if I thought armed bands of citizens defending themselves was a crazy idea I’d be some anti-gunner, not a forum member. Did you miss the full paragraph of criticism I had towards RR’s strategy or the ten months of me serving in a militia overseas myself?

                                                  The CNN link is from my best guess as to the original source of this image – this guy was profiled by a CNN documentary. Generally you want to track your sources as close to the origin as possible, for example a Breitbart page citing a CNN article is going to obfuscate things, every level of separation from the primary source adds “static” and biases. The CNN link is a primary a source as I could find to post in regards to Max’s request, the Ascentworks page just seems to be a clickbait page that reposts random photos without proper citations, if you use Instagram you should already know those kinds of accounts are literally 75% of the platform. We all know CNN is biased as hell and the media is filled with liberals and leftists, the multiple journos I met in Syria (Buzzfeed News, Rolling Stone, freelancers, etc.) said as much openly. Primary sources, especially on niche topics, are usually shitty sources, you just have to be clear-minded enough to read through the bullshit for the valuable intel. We watched ISIS videos religiously for intel on weapons, tactics, etc.

                                                  I do offer self-criticism for not making my posts more succinct and coming off as preachy sometimes (I’m not used to folks understanding the obscure topics I study), beyond that it seems whenever I offer some subject matter experience regarding the left someone gets triggered and I get shouted down as an evil leftist myself. I’ve had enough smug Western lefties tell me in Syria I’m not really a leftist or a revolutionary or whatever because I’m too anti-government, I don’t really care how others characterize me.

                                                  If I was some committed leftist thinking this was some radical “alt-right” forum I wouldn’t make myself vulnerable to doxxing by being here and risking real-life working relationships for the sake of folks I only know online or share my operational experience in unconventional warfare with right-wingers. If I weren’t convinced that the American left has surrendered to authoritarianism and statism I would join RR myself, there is a branch in my region and I’m pretty certain there’s only one or two degrees of separation between me and some of those folks. Even if my social and economic views differ from the mainstream on this forum I still view less government and more liberty the best solutions for our current national crises, our description of the problem differs but I assume we agree on the solutions.

                                                  I do my best to avoid assuming malicious intent here, all I ask is for y’all to do the same.

                                                • #81293
                                                  Anonymous
                                                  Inactive

                                                    As a departure from Robert and I bitching back and forth at each other, the CNN documentary I was referring to is the episode “Not These White People” of United Shades of America, it’s currently available on On Demand for Comcast/Xfinity customers at least, not sure about other providers.

                                                    The group in question is the Puget Sound John Brown Gun Club. They were part of the Redneck Revolt network but separated at the beginning of the year.

                                                    The documentary is mostly about being white and liberal in Seattle, the fact that Kamau Bell is pretty clueless about everything and anything makes it even more annoying, the relevant bits are the first ten minutes and then again after the 35 minute mark. The members speak a bit but it doesn’t go very deep into their ideology, more like “Wow, white people with guns who aren’t racist!” as if that’s unusual or something. Kinda dry but if you want to hear what they have to say for themselves to understand their disposition there you go. Previous documentaries elsewhere have followed other branches of Redneck Revolt elsewhere so it’s worth knowing some info about this group specifically.

                                                    The guy in the image (forgot what it said his name was) later wears a Makhnoist flag patch on his hat, Nestor Makhno led the anarchist Free Territory of Ukraine during the Russian Civil War, so it seems he’s an anarchist.

                                                  • #81294
                                                    Healthhokie
                                                    Participant

                                                      Well lets hope they are running cheap Frankenguns, steel cased ammo, lubing with Frog lube, mounting cheap optics, and shooting a mag every six months to train!!

                                                    • #81295
                                                      tango
                                                      Participant

                                                        @rampantraptor What’s the best way for us to study our local Redneck Revolt, John Brown Gun Club, or Antifa group?

                                                      • #81296
                                                        RobRoy
                                                        Participant

                                                          Next time a D-party clown talks disarmament this and other pics of these people and their guns will be a handy reply, that is about all their usefulness.

                                                        • #81297
                                                          Anonymous
                                                          Inactive

                                                            @Tango
                                                            Most of these folks still have Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, websites, etc., unlike some other groups Redneck Revolt and JBGC are above-ground rather than clandestine. Other antifascist groups often organize or at least advertise their actions online after the fact, remember that these groups are generally regional at best. You an learn a decent amount from gathering OSINT basically.


                                                            @RobRoy

                                                            Yeah, that’s how I view it, I’d be much happier if there were at least more leftists visibly embracing the Second Amendment so the liberals can’t claim that gun ownership is a phenomenon of rural white conservative dudes.

                                                          • #81298
                                                            RobRoy
                                                            Participant

                                                              Raptor you owe me for a keyboard with that “embracing the 2A” comment.

                                                              I’m laughing and crying at the same time.

                                                              So instead of getting scolded by the admins I will gently ask that you ask those fine young men with the AR-15s what they think of your 2A rights.

                                                            • #81299
                                                              Anonymous
                                                              Inactive

                                                                Raptor you owe me for a keyboard with that “embracing the 2A” comment.

                                                                I’m laughing and crying at the same time.

                                                                So instead of getting scolded by the admins I will gently ask that you ask those fine young men with the AR-15s what they think of your 2A rights.

                                                                USB or PS/2? I have a stockpile of spare computer parts, it drives my brother insane. :good:

                                                                True, most of your pro-gun lefties don’t specifically cite 2A as the source of gun rights (nobody should, actually), usually it’s more of an “arm the working class” argument, though it’s not unheard of; looking back in history the Black Panthers specifically cited their 2A rights before Ronnie Reagan banned open carry in response to them in CA. I have to double check but I think one of the RR guys in the CNN doc specifically stated “The Second Amendment is for everybody.” Even back when I was still a good little Obamunist ten years ago I would make the same argument myself, it’s not impossible to be socially liberal and embrace 2A, the groupthink in the Democratic Party is what’s driven former “Democrats who like guns” like me away from the party and progressivism in general.

                                                                They are a good counter-argument to liberal claims that gun owners are all old racist white guys but, realistically, no, I don’t expect these folks to actually support pro-2A politicians.

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