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    • #64553
      Eric
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        The Military Is Training To Fight Gun Owners

        Someone posted it on facebook today. It is a couple months old, but I was wondering if anyone can confirm this, or is it just more fear monger bullshit. I certainly would not doubt it, but I also wouldn’t prescribe any authenticity to it on just the word of Alex Jones.

        A soldier’s letter sheds chilling revelation from a militant’s point of view on what President Barack Obama and the current Administration are doing to the U.S. military.

        “Here’s the problem for us soldiers: we can’t trust each other, as there are those who are extreme liberals, socialists, and those who love the current administration.

        We’re infiltrated with these traitors and we don’t know how to organize without others turning us in and sabotaging our plans. That’s just one problem. Outside of that, as an organization we have become plagued with dysfunction, toxicity, illness, injuries, and betrayal.

        It does not allow for a good foundation at the current moment for us to clean house for a country.

        They know this. They created the environment as it is right now. We didn’t see it until it was too late. Militants are forming, but in small pockets, and unable to fully unite and plan our strategies in secrecy. And there are watch dogs out there watching us attempt to plan.

        I’m sure every word I am typing right now is watched. There is no privacy in which we can operate on our own soil. Our best efforts will only be when they place us on orders against you. That is when we will know what soldiers will bleed for you, and which are loyal to this regime.”

        The most disturbing detail about this letter is that it isn’t coming from a politician, comfortable in their government office, but a soldier, steeped in the reception of a war on our military and the American people it’s sworn to defend.

      • #64554
        Corvette
        Participant

          Extreme liberals are few and far between in the military, but thier presence is magnified by such fear mongering (not a hit on you but on the source)

          it illustrates the chilling effect negative expectation have has on many good people wind up being intimidated into self-censoring .
          Which plays into he bad guys hands.

        • #64555
          Matthew
          Participant

            Its bullshit. The pointy end guys are almost to a man gun rights supporting types. There’s a few libs, but they’re pretty spread out. I can’t speak for the higher echelons, or the support guys, but the door kickers ain’t about to start targeting American homes.
            Also, Ernie! Lets grab a beer!

          • #64556
            Max
            Keymaster

              It’s probably BS. No disrespect to our military. But can any of you cite a major military force not following orders against the people they supposedly serve? While “I was just following orders” isn’t a valid defense. It’s still a very real mindset.

            • #64557
              Corvette
              Participant

                For those who want to answer this question but wish for an addtional layer of security past thier screename here, PM me and i will assign them an anonymous account w/ a log in that works for a day or so.
                My home computer is more secure than most.

              • #64558
                M1-Guy
                Participant

                  Obviously I do not know if this is true or not. Here is what I do know. History tells us that no government take over has ever occurred without the military involved and taking a side. Look at Central & South America, Africa, China, former Soviet Union, etc.

                  The USA is unique in that the military, as an organization, is neutral. One of the things I have always kept on my radar screen, is to watch the military and see if the leadership ever overtly takes a side. I don’t see any sign of that. I believe these men & women have taken an oath and will uphold it.

                  What I do see, is a continued downsizing of the US military and the upsizing of the DHS “blue shirts”, who appear to be developing into a domestic, para-military, national police force. In addition, we have the militarization of all the federal alphabet soup agencies with their SWAT teams etc. This worries me more. Fortunately the citizenry of this country have the right to own weapons for their protection, which is very different than most of the rest of the world.

                  My civvy view from the sidelines.

                • #64559
                  Max
                  Keymaster

                    As Matthew said, for the most part it is few and far between on the extreme liberal side. Even in a lot of the support jobs it isn’t that common. The biggest issues that we have are ignorance, apathy (too much self interest), “drink the kool aid and do what your told” syndrome and down right not understanding what our Oath actually means. Combine all that with (from my perspective) leadership (E7/O3 and up) too worried about their jobs and not their Soldiers with the need to downsize, and you have the propensity for many things. And I have seen it turn some of the best Soldiers sour and get the shittiest Soldiers handed promotions. Most of this has been seen from the Intel side of the house, but (according to numerous buddies all over the Army) it happens all over the place. There is a reason why the turnover rate is so high.
                    Now, in some units the esprit de corps is so high that a lot of this isn’t the case but (again, as far as I can tell) these units are few and far between.
                    There are still a handful of us that are trying to rectify these issues, and I have personally made a good deal of progress with scouts, medics and intel weenies. And we are doing what we can to make sure it spreads from the lowliest Private, to the NCOs, the Warrant Officers (a strange breed all on their own) and the Commissioned Officers. We have a long road ahead of us, but the higher up the ladder the right people climb, the greater effect we can have (gotta love using the “enemies” tactics against them).
                    As for anonymity, so long as DoD personnel don’t use .gov PCs, then a warrant is still “legally” required. Otherwise, they know who I am, they have asked those questions before and I still hold onto my job and clearance and if they want, they can try asking again and I will still give the investigators the same answer.

                    “I, XXXXXXXXXX, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.”

                    (fun side note, look at the order in which things are said. Guess which is first….and how many people it aggravates)

                  • #64560
                    Corvette
                    Participant

                      I’m not worried about it.

                    • #64561
                      Corvette
                      Participant

                        I’m constantly worried about it. I can’t get a good feel for the overall feelings of the military but I know that even 5% can do me irreparable harm, and they have far more dangerous toys than I do. But, that is why I train, read and supply.
                        I don’t know what lies ahead, but I do know it is not good.

                      • #64562
                        Corvette
                        Participant

                          I’m constantly worried about it. I can’t get a good feel for the overall feelings of the military but I know that even 5% can do me irreparable harm, and they have far more dangerous toys than I do. But, that is why I train, read and supply.
                          I don’t know what lies ahead, but I do know it is not good.

                          they wont have those toys unless they move out as a unit.
                          The unit doesnt move out unless the Company Commanders/XO’s and NCOs play Ball.

                          The thing most people are afraid of they likely won’t go along especially at those grades.

                          They are Senior enough to understand whats going on, but not so Senior that they are psychologically vested in the absolute primacy of the system.

                          As a result this is a layer that is not likely to go along with unconstitutional shenanigans.

                        • #64563
                          Max
                          Keymaster

                            They are Senior enough to understand whats going on, but not so Senior that they are psychologically vested in the absolute primacy of the system.

                            As a result this is a layer that is not likely to go along with unconstitutional shenanigans.

                            This. I speak only for myself, but there is a line I will not cross. And I’ve been around long enough to know what that looks like.

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