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    • #72556
      Gamma Rat
      Participant

        Hi Guys,

        Patriot Dawn did a great job of illustrating Hunter/Killer tactics. If the events protrayed in the book ever come to pass, it would become necessary to plan for the eventual contact with HK teams.

        What are some of your suggestions for evading and engaging these teams?

      • #72557
        Corvette
        Participant

          Max is in the woods training a bunch of guys for the next 5 days..
          Its the inaugural combined CRCD/Patrol Class.
          you may ahve to wait for his reply until he gets a breather at nite ;-)

        • #72558
          DiznNC
          Participant

            I’ll jump. Your best and first defense is STEALTH. That is why I am always banging on about acting more like recce teams, not let’s get into the shit teams. Your basic SOP should reflect on the threat level, including the possibility of H/K teams.

            So first, SECURITY HALTS. This is where you make your money. The guy that stops, looks, and listens, more often, is probably gonna detect the other guy first. It just stands to reason, if you spend more of your time down on one knee, looking and listening, chances are you’re gonna see or hear something before the other guy. Young, aggressive guys have trouble with this one. Learning the kind of patience and discipline required to pull this off takes much practice. And maybe getting your ass waxed a couple of times.

            Observation. You have to be in tune with finding target indicators. Sound is usually one of the first, especially at night. Learn to recognize a sound that is not in harmony with the usual background noise. For instance, man walks with a sharp, crisp sounding step (well most folks that don’t know better do). The old salts taught us the “jungle stalk” where you roll your foot onto the ground and back up. The noise it makes is a gradual, rolling sound, not a pronounced CRUNCH CRUNCH CRUNCH like someone walking normally. Classic don’t belong there sounds, like metallic tinks and clinks, and even a dropped rifle makes a distinct sound (especially the AR). Or if we’re gonna go there, someone losing their balance and busting their ass. Happens more than you think.

            Sight is another. In deep bush you rarely get a complete glimpse of the enemy. You just see a shape/shapes moving in a different way/direction in the spaces in between the foliage. Could be animal, could be man. Kinda depends on the height of the affair. Look for that distinctive head and shoulders silhouette. Lots of these guys don’t bother to put a helmet cover and burlap on their Gucci helmet rigs.

            Watch for glint. Glasses, binos, scopes, etc. Very few things (except for sunlight filtering through the trees) glint in nature. If it has an ARD it means it’s pointed right at you.

            Movement Technique. When you are in contested terrain, adopt evasive conter-measures when on the march. The first of which is the classic Button Hook maneuver. You should pull up, at irregular intervals, and completely circle back around and set up in hasty ambush on your back trail. This keeps someone from simply trailing you back to base camp or wherever you’re going. (Submariners call this the Crazy Ivan).

            If your navigation skills are up to it, and you have to time, and wherewithal to do it, zig-zig back and forth all over terrain features. Drives guys nuts and is exhausting to follow.

            Cross a linear danger area, where it might be observed. Off-set, and re-cross at a more covered and concealed position and continue original course. Same technique applies on other terrain features. Follow on obvious line of drift. Buttonhook (or off-set) back and go off another direction, cross-compartment.

            If you have been spotted, or made contact, you have to “sprint and drift” to break away. Move towards the shittiest terrain you can find, and set up in hasty ambush at each security halt. If you have booby traps, now the time to lay them on your back trail. Even if you don’t, just trip wire is gonna make ’em think and hopefully slow ’em down. (Use your imagination. Fake ’em out a few times with wire only and then attach a surprise. A simple booby trap simulator will scare the shit out of you.)

            You may be better off hitting them again from your hasty ambush, to thin the herd, slow them down, and give yourself a little lee way to run. Doing this once or twice, and then running like hell may do the trick.

            When all else fails, you may have to do an E & E drill, much similar to what Max described in his novel. Drop rucks (booby traps would be nice), and break out on all points of the compass. Nothing fancy here at this point. You’re running for your life. Haul ass and get out of there. If at all possible you may be able to reform at a rally point some distance away. Or you may have to return to base one at a time. Or it may be time to bury all that shit and melt in with the populace (if in place).

            Anyways, just some ideas to consider. Remember, this is worse-case scenario. These guys are as skilled as you are. If they have NV/IR and FLIR, you gotta bring your A game. Also, just like A/C use chaff and flares to spoof missiles, viz/IR chemlites, chem heat paks, flares, smoke bombs, etc. might be very useful to mask movement/create distractions for breaking contact. Throwing this shit on your back trail in lieu of explosives might do the trick. Hell we used to tape a lit cig to a pack of black cats for an improvised time-delay explosive. May not hurt them, but rattles nerves, shakes confidence.

          • #72559
            Corvette
            Participant

              Diz,

              Great Stuff.. loving it ..

            • #72560
              CW
              Participant

                Good stuff, Diz. But I have a question (more like several, actually): For people who, like me, haven’t read Max’s books (not for lack of interest, believe me) and/or haven’t had the frontline training/experience some of you have, what are some things to expect from HK teams when they are after you? I’m assuming that state-sponsored (whether our country, or another, in case of invasion) teams would have air support available in most cases. If the AO were really hot, and air assets unavailable, what other tactics/tools would they employ?

              • #72561
                DiznNC
                Participant

                  One of my favorites. If you think you’re being tracked, cross a linear danger area, and move inland a ways. Then button hook back to the DA and set up a hasty ambush covering the DA crossing. Wait until half the team is across, then light ’em up. Takes a VERY good team to off-set, cross, link up both parties, then charlie mike. This gives you beau coups time to get the fuck out of there.

                  Throwing in a fire-fight simulator at your furthest inland penetration might even make it more fun. Like I said, packs of black cats and the like on a cigarette, (or I guess time fuse would be better) to give you time to get into position, and then draw their attention up ahead, and maybe make them sloppy getting across.

                  Maybe even leave chem heat packs/ IR sticks and such at the ambush pos so you slow them down even further if they think you’re still around.

                • #72562
                  Max
                  Keymaster

                    Just moved this one over from the blog, just for you:

                    http://forum.maxvelocitytactical.com/forums/topic/when-they-are-hunting-you/

                    The original link on the blog also has 30 comments, with some embellishment of the original article:

                    http://www.maxvelocitytactical.com/2013/10/when-they-are-hunting-you/

                    Max

                  • #72563
                    Corvette
                    Participant

                      Max I talked about your article with that one K9 guy we know.
                      He made similar comments when I questioned him.. I think I saw him post on here elsewhere …

                    • #72564
                      CW
                      Participant

                        Max, Diz, again, great stuff. Two thumbs up! :good:

                      • #72565
                        Max
                        Keymaster

                          Possible stupid idea.

                          If the persuing forces are using dogs to track you, would it be possible to cover your tracks with black pepper and cayenne pepper to fuck up the dogs?

                        • #72566
                          DiznNC
                          Participant

                            See above links from Max.

                          • #72567
                            DiznNC
                            Participant

                              OK a lot of speculation here. First off, get Max’s books. For fuck’s sake people you can waste more money at a shit-kicker bar on a payday Friday night. Get the books from Amazon for cryin’ out loud. Lot’s of good info I’m not gonna rehash here.

                              Here’s the main points. As gov’t sponsored goon squads move through the countryside, they are killing anyone who will not re-locate into gov’t urban centers. Those that escape are moving into practically inaccessible areas, where any advantage for high tech forces is severely hampered. Dense woodlands, highland mountains, lowland swamps. After initial skirmishes with regular troops, special hunter-killer teams are brought in to specifically hunt down troublesome partisan forces. Now go buy the friggin book.

                              So who exactly are these hunter/killer teams? They are the guys that decided to stay with the government. That should tell you something right there. Probably some spec ops experience, at the very least, ranger batt or light infantry. The depth or quality of that experience could be suspect. But they have vast resources available and probably no compunction against hunting down and killing those that have been deemed enemies of the state. In effect, they are extremely dangerous and capable enemy.

                              These teams will probably consist of 8-12 men. Big enough to bring firepower to bear, yet small enough to be able to maneuver quickly. That gives you a minimum of 2 x 4-man teams, or possibly a full team of 3 x 4-man teams. Based on SOCCOM models, each team will be mirror-image of the others. A team leader (M-4), an AW man (M-240), a grenadier (M203), and another rifleman (M-4). This gives tremendous firepower for a small 4-man team. Especially since it is assumed they will carry at least double std ammo load-outs. In addition, one man will be a radio operator, and another a medic. It will be assumed they all have the latest binocular night vision, IR and/or FLIR technology. SATCOM comms with fire support capability. Air transport and fire support. Not to mention encrypted inter-team comms.

                              They will probably react aggressively to any contact. Expect tremendous firepower in response to any attack. And rapid maneuver to close with and attempt to destroy the enemy. In addition to organic fires, expect helicopter gunship support, and/or fast movers.

                              Even though this is a very formidable enemy, consider this. These same troops with all their capability, recently played hell fighting primitive but determined tribesmen in rugged country.

                            • #72568
                              Thomas
                              Participant

                                Diz talks about several points that will work against HK teams. He further lays out the structure of the team and how it might be employed and really good counter techniques. Without a butt-load of experience, this type of information will be difficult to visualize. There are among us those who see terrain in length, width, depth, height, and time. I would venture that Diz and Max both comprehend space in this fashion.

                                For those less gifted, you must apply what you are reading. That means build a sand table or go to an open space and walk through that drill so that you can begin to understand what has been written here. This is life saving stuff. It is the bread and butter of the professional infantryman.

                                If you can not see it in your mind’s eye, lay it out in front of you in a ground model. Once you physically see it, it will make sense to you. You then must incorporate it into everything you do in the field.

                                Think of it this way: The day that hostilities began, straight line travel ended. The beauty of all of these techniques is that they can be practiced in your daily life. Why would you button hook when out walking you dog or shopping with the family, you might ask? To see who is on your trail, just as you would on a recce.

                                Diz gave some examples of tried and tested techniques of patrolling. If you practice them on a table top initially, you can then begin to understand them and incorporate them into you personal security routine and extrapolate them them to larger movements. And, if you don’t have a personal security routine, develop one now so that it is integrated into your life before you need it.

                              • #72569
                                DiznNC
                                Participant

                                  You can learn a lot by cross-pollinating with other communities. What is used as measure/counter-measure is the same theory applied to different situations. Look at what aviators use when dog-fighting. Look at what submariners use engaging surface or subsurface vessels. Look at soldiers do when engaging or dis-engaging others. These are all drills practiced endlessly, just as a world-championship sports team. In effect, this IS the world’s deadliest “sport” if you will.

                                  When considering these hunter-killer teams for example, what do you think they practice quite a bit? Coming from a US SOCCOM background they are probably big on fire superiority, perhaps even more so than maneuver, although they can certainly do that as well. But still, there is a very heavy emphasis on firepower. So while they SHOULD be in good shape (although that’s not a gimmie), they are still going to carrying a lot of weight. Consider this fact. Knowing the fact that they are heavily armed (and armored), can your team out-sprint them in maneuver, and “get inside their loop”? This is one possible counter-measure, if you’re up to up. But in order to stay and engage, you too are going to require a lot of ammo, so this is a truly ballsey move!

                                  Speaking of PT, will these guys be eager to close with the enemy, and go aggressively hands on as well? I’m thinking steroids, and other mind-altering drugs here. Not only do they want to hunt you down, but do they want to really fuck you up? This has to be a consideration. The kind of person that hangs around and supports the regime might include all sorts of assorted psychopaths looking for a license to kill. So your best move might be to keep these guys at arms length, unless you are up to the task.

                                  But back to maneuvering in space. In the bush, you have “x” and “y” coordinates, for the engineers out there. Essentially you are moving forward or back, or left and right. In any combination. Then there is speed. You can move at any rate, or stop completely. Added to that is the “z” coordinate, which for us, is moving up and down on terrain. Then there are other factors, such as cover and concealment, surface, light level, wind and rain, temp, etc. Think about how all these things can affect you and how to use that.

                                  Here’s an example. I alluded to it before. Submariners call it sprinting and drifting. You drift to pick up the enemy’s noise, then sprint to put yourself in better tactical position.

                                  Also the “Crazy Ivan” which is known to us as “button-hooking”.

                                  Aviators use this classic technique. They build up speed in a dogfight, and then dramatically slow down, causing the guy on their ass to overshoot.

                                  Also the classic “Thatch Weave” where two planes weave a pattern back and forth in the air, to clear each other’s “six”.

                                  Soldiers try and hold you in place with firepower, and maneuver to your flank.

                                  So here’s an example of using movement, speed, and terrain. You set up a certain pattern of movement, moving at a certain speed, a certain way over a terrain feature, then you rapidly change that up, moving faster and in a different way then before. Now you are in a totally different position from where you would expected to be. For example you would patrol slow and carefully, “contouring” the military crest of several fingers, and then slip down to a creek bed or other “highspeed trail” and sprint away before melting back into the bush. This sometimes works when you are playing “cat and mouse” with another patrol, each one maneuvering to ambush the other. You set up a certain rhythm of movement (perhaps lulling you opponent into a sense of complacency) and then suddenly break it. Although dangerous while moving fast down a highspeed trail, the risk is rewarded when you now have better tactical position to engage or dis-engage from your enemy.

                                  Returning back to the hunter-killer teams, what maneuvers would you expect them to employ? One example in Max’s book was a H-T team spotting a rebel team, through FLIR technology, and quietly reversing course. When the rebel team follows, thinking it’s been undiscovered, they are ambushed by the H-T team that buttonhooks back on their back trail. In this example, if you encounter a H-T team, you must ASSume that you have been spotted, regardless of their reaction. How would that have changed the rebel team’s actions? The patrol leader might have maneuvered to a flank, on a parallel course, instead of following in trace. Perhaps if he knew the area well enough he might guess where a good ambush position would be and move out to it. Or maybe he would chose to just initiate contact, figuring he was already seen and knew where the enemy was right now, so exploit the sit. Again, ballsey, but might gain the initiative.

                                • #72570
                                  Corvette
                                  Participant

                                    Fellas:

                                    great reads soaking it in.

                                  • #72571
                                    Gamma Rat
                                    Participant

                                      Returning back to the hunter-killer teams, what maneuvers would you expect them to employ? One example in Max’s book was a H-T team spotting a rebel team, through FLIR technology, and quietly reversing course. When the rebel team follows, thinking it’s been undiscovered, they are ambushed by the H-T team that buttonhooks back on their back trail. In this example, if you encounter a H-T team, you must ASSume that you have been spotted, regardless of their reaction. How would that have changed the rebel team’s actions? The patrol leader might have maneuvered to a flank, on a parallel course, instead of following in trace. Perhaps if he knew the area well enough he might guess where a good ambush position would be and move out to it. Or maybe he would chose to just initiate contact, figuring he was already seen and knew where the enemy was right now, so exploit the sit. Again, ballsey, but might gain the initiative.

                                      1000

                                      In my opinion, that part of the book lacked realism. I would have expected the OP to be a little smarter than they were. But you never can tell. Everyone does something stupid occasionaly. Hopefully it doesn’t get you killed.

                                    • #72572
                                      DiznNC
                                      Participant

                                        Well yes and no. If you are unfamiliar with FLIR technology, that is a std technique, back in the day when you couldn’t be spotted by the nakid eye. You are hunkered down in the bush, 25-50m away, well camouflaged and not moving. There’s no reason to believe you’ve been spotted. I have had guys literally piss on me at night because their night vision was ruined by staring at their camp fire. Or they just stumbled out of their sleeping bag to take a piss. I’ve laid wide open in a ditch when a patrol passed on the road. I had a guy I swear looked right at me but I was down on one knee, and tucked my chin and became a bush. Guy took a leak and went right back to camp. You just never know.

                                        On the other hand, if a patrol is heading right at me, stops, looks, and listens, and then just turns around back the way they came? Yeah that might be a red flag. Even if that was a pre-planned maneuver, on a area recon, or whatever, most teams don’t just return back down their backtrail. They will “tear drop” or triangulate out of their patrol base. Whatever the pattern, you try not to run back down your backtrail. Ranger 101.

                                        I guess I would be thinking which way are these dickheads gonna go? I would pull back, just in case I was spotted. Don’t want to be in the same place as the bursting radius of any ordnance they might call in. Perhaps buttonhook and set up ambush, and see what develops. If your mission doesn’t dictate closing with and destroying the enemy, I would be thinking very seriously at that point about getting the fuck out of that grid square.

                                        My thinking is the same as Max’s. These teams are probably hunting in concert. Once you are spotted, other teams will chopper in and set up blocking positions on likely lines of drift. Unless you sprint out of the trap, you could be cornered and out of options very quickly.

                                        You COULD attack, but I think once you’ve lost the element of surprise with one of these teams, you are at a distinct disadvantage. Better to live to fight another day.

                                      • #72573
                                        Max
                                        Keymaster

                                          Keep in mind that the American way of war can be summed up thus: “why send a man when you can send a bullet?”

                                          This is the find-fix-finish model where men do the finding and fixing but the finish is accomplished via air and/or artillery.

                                          Don’t get fixed and especially don’t mass except at the time and place of your choosing. As Diz says, “live to fight another day.” In many cases THAT will be your primary mission. I’m sure we’ve all heard the (possibly apocryphal) story of the Afghan elder who tells the American commander that (paraphrasing here), “you have the clock, but we have the time.” Just by staying alive you wear down the counter-insurgent.

                                          Also, thermals are not the all-seeing eye. They are excellent when they have an unobstructed field of view, but a PAS-13 cannot see through solid objects anymore than the naked eye or a PVS-14 can. Airborne FLIR (or tank, Bradley, Javelin or TOW/ITAS sights) is far more worrisome than handheld thermals at ground level trying to peer through densely wooded rolling terrain. Go where they are reduced to chasing you on foot and trying to find you from the air. Looking down from the air at high altitude is like looking through a soda-straw, while looking from low-altitude provides ample warning.

                                        • #72574
                                          DiznNC
                                          Participant

                                            Very good point. On that gets lost in the sauce. All this stuff, whether Mk 1 Mod 0 eyeball or the latest fusion NV/FLIR technology, is LINE OF SIGHT. Meaning that if you use terrain properly, masking yourself from view as much as possible, you will be hard to spot.

                                          • #72575
                                            Max
                                            Keymaster

                                              Dang, Diz – sounds like we were on the same patrols.

                                              I used to carry a GI wool blanket (one each, OD green) across my neck and shoulders. When we’d stop, I’d pull it over my head like a cape. At night, I became an instant boulder. It also kept me warm. That was before FLIR stuff, though.

                                              Like you, I had guys walk right up to me at night and take a piss. I could have reached out and cut their tallywhacker off. Another time, I was laying in a sand wash and an entire patrol walked right by me, even stepping over my legs at one point.

                                              People are not as observant as they think they are. Hiding in plain sight has its advantages, but I do believe if you are up against FLIR technology, that game is no longer possible, nor advisable.

                                              I’ve been on HK teams as part of a (very successful) experiment in the Army. Scouts would go out and locate the enemy, while we traveled one terrain feature back. Then they would call us in to fix and destroy. Depending on the enemy, we’d go mechanized, heliborne, or on foot.

                                              Based upon my experience, if an HK team is on your tail, that means someone else is observing you. Keep that in mind, too.

                                            • #72576
                                              Joe (G.W.N.S.)
                                              Moderator

                                                Based upon my experience, if an HK team is on your tail, that means someone else is observing you. Keep that in mind, too.

                                                Great point, often overlooked. Remember that “someone else” could be human, sensor, or drone. Combinations also possible!

                                              • #72577
                                                Corvette
                                                Participant

                                                  Based upon my experience, if an HK team is on your tail, that means someone else is observing you. Keep that in mind, too.

                                                  Great point, often overlooked. Remember that “someone else” could be human, sensor, or drone. Combinations also possible!

                                                  Hopefully resources limitations imposed by the large number of Americans available for a campaign against foreign invaders or domestic enemies will impose real resource constraints on those sensors.
                                                  They cost money, fuel, maintenance, and operators all of which are vulnerable.

                                                • #72578
                                                  Joe (G.W.N.S.)
                                                  Moderator

                                                    Hopefully resources limitations imposed by the large number of Americans available for a campaign against foreign invaders or domestic enemies will impose real resource constraints on those sensors.
                                                    They cost money, fuel, maintenance, and operators all of which are vulnerable.

                                                    Worth knowing about, but nothing to freak about!

                                                    The scariest threat is probably the insider human asset.

                                                  • #72579
                                                    Skittles
                                                    Participant

                                                      Another thought on the button hook ambush is to bait the trap. Something simple like a dropped spare mag or a piece of paper with something written on it that looks important. A good HK team will only look for a second. But that second is even more time for you to spring the ambush and catch them a little more off guard.

                                                    • #72580
                                                      DiznNC
                                                      Participant

                                                        Excellent suggestion. Mis-direct their attention, hit ’em hard, disappear.

                                                      • #72581
                                                        Corvette
                                                        Participant

                                                          Love it!

                                                          Learning a lot in this thread! :good:

                                                        • #72582
                                                          Max
                                                          Keymaster

                                                            Personally I am more concerned about two guys with binos and a radio than a team wandering the waddie. The Droner in Chief probably has a fantasy about him personally calling the kill with drones. Like he does with Hadji in the stans. HK teams might not be Americans in the future conflict. Might be Russian or such. The Chinese are going to move in to protect “their” property which has been promised to them as collateral for our excessive fed loans but most likely will not leave their AO. Instead aggressively patrolling their lines but not going outside the wire.

                                                          • #72583
                                                            Max
                                                            Keymaster

                                                              When I was in “Tracking School” in the mid 90’s, we were taught to never track at night. Although you try and close that “Time-Distance gap” as much as you can, but, once the sun starts to set, the tracking stops. You pick the spoor back up at first light. Tracking at night is extremely, did I say EXTREMELY, hard to do. Even with NOD’s and FLIR’s. You open yourselves up to making way too much noise, breaking bones, and you cannot see the spoor well enough at night either. This is probably where a drone will be sent above to monitor your position if they can find you.

                                                              If you track me at night, even with a dog, the advantage slides towards me. I will see your flashlight and hear all of the noise you are making, giving me the opportunity to plan my next move.

                                                              If you are going to use “Booby-Traps & Trip Wires” (I am an Instructor/LEO in finding them) then have them pre-made or at the very least, you may want to have a separate bag which is dedicated for such. This gives you the advantage of stringing them up in a hurry. Use of “perimeter alarms”is included here too. Even just stringing some wire across two trees on path (yours) will slow down the Tracker.

                                                              When I was taught how to track using a 4-5 man team (Rhodesian Style), everybody knew his job and the hand signals used during the hunt. Nobody talked. I have allot of info stored in my head as the years go by and can teach anybody the art of what, where, and how to employ “Booby-Traps”. I will not do it here however because, I signed a waiver to not do so because of the fact it could be used on me and/or other LEO’s.

                                                              I do however want to very much attend your course Mr. Velocity, I just do not have the fiscal funds or ammo to do so at this point. I do plan on attending though, Lord willing. I hope all of you have a great Easter weekend and stay safe.

                                                            • #72584
                                                              DiznNC
                                                              Participant

                                                                Understand your reluctance to share considering your situation. However, for me, I think any bad guy worth his salt knows this stuff. The military and police know this stuff. The only guys, for the most part, that don’t know this stuff are law-abiding armed citizens, getting ready for the shit.

                                                                That’s why I have no problem sharing these T,T,&P’s on this website. The kind of guy that is getting up off his ass and training with Max is the kind of guy I want to pass this info on to.

                                                              • #72585
                                                                Max
                                                                Keymaster

                                                                  You’d be surprised. If anybody knows just as much as any LEO/Military it would be a Marijuana Grower who has acreage. He is going to usually do a series of traps with each layer going into the actual field getting more and more dangerous as you go through.

                                                                  I also agree with you as far as Law-abiding citizens are concerned. If and when this country really goes bottom up, the Law-abiding citizen can you these devices as force multipliers to protect his family and others who may join groups in order for safety.

                                                                  At least around my AO, you can go to a gun show and pick up certain items that can be used as such. Some of these items are such things as CS, CN, OC, and HC emitting devices.

                                                                  Also, I might ad that creating these devices is only limited by one’s imagination. I have seen some good ones in the past that have had me say to myself: “This is one very smart person!”

                                                                  If this country experiences a true war then hand grenades might be found. They are a gold mine of possibilities. You can do allot of various things to one to make it go off immediately, shorten the delay, and air launch one.

                                                                  This brings to a debate I have had with which one is better, 40mm vs rifle launched grenades. I am a proponent of bringing back the rifle grenade as was the Marines a few years ago. 40mm may be lethal up to 5-10 meters depending on what it lands on. With a good rifle grenade you may increase this to 25 meters. Using a hand grenade in a holder and rifle launched can even give you an air burst capability. This of course IMHO…. ;-)

                                                                • #72586
                                                                  Max
                                                                  Keymaster
                                                                  • #72587
                                                                    D Close
                                                                    Moderator

                                                                      Randy, great link. Should probably have its own thread. Ch6 on will occupy my day. We need a file we can download right into our brain, like in The Matrix. :good: I would post in Intelligence Support?

                                                                      Hierarchy of needs is interesting read. Thanks!

                                                                    • #72588
                                                                      HiDesertRat
                                                                      Participant

                                                                        Randy,

                                                                        link is dead, any other connection available? thanks

                                                                      • #72589
                                                                        Max
                                                                        Keymaster

                                                                          Huh. No idea why. Working on it, but on the road. The other Dbox link is dead also.

                                                                          Try this one:

                                                                          https://www.michaelyon-online.com/images/pdf/smartbook-hunter-killer.pdf

                                                                        • #72590
                                                                          HiDesertRat
                                                                          Participant

                                                                            Randy,
                                                                            thanks, new link working.

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