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    • #126461
      rampantraptor
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        Virginia has fallen.

        Better buy up on “high capacity magazines” and “assault weapons” while you still can.

        https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/11/5/20944109/virginia-elections-legislature-results-democrats

        Sucks for us Marylanders too because we go to Virginian gun shows to beat Maryland’s shit laws.

      • #126469
        Joe (G.W.N.S.)
        Moderator

          It will be an interesting year for Virginians!

        • #126495
          Mike Q
          Participant

            As usual northern Virginia and the Hampton roads area screw it up for everyone else.

          • #126510
            Hessian
            Participant

              Not surprising, the trump affect is still in place.

              The republican party has failed to deliver or rather conserve time and time again on anything of sustenance other than the 2A.

              Also with the immigration (legal and illegal) a majority will always vote Democrat as well as their offspring. Compound that with boomers dying off and 2020 is the last time the Republicans have to win the presidency ever. A decade or two post 2020 the last vestige of republicans (if the status quo remains) will be out of the senate, with full control going of the fed gov going to the Dems.

              Guns, ammo, magazines and possibly the willingness to move to consolidate in the future.

            • #126520
              Healthhokie
              Participant

                I moved out of Maryland to get away from the socialist, government control, anti-gun, high tax bullshit and now Virginia has turned into Maryland and will look more like it every year. The demographics of NoVa and my moronic county (Loudoun) with their yuppie progressive crap will grow even bigger every year with Amazon hiring a plethora of man-bun IT leftist twerps.

                My question is how far do they go? Banning new “assault rifle” and high capacity magazine purchases and sales or criminalizing current possession. The latter one is a show stopper for me. Within 3 years I can pick whatever state I want to to live in so Virginia looking a lot less attractive. Going to sell my Loudoun house within 9 months (already planned) but do I keep my rural VA house?

                Unless the tide shifts with the 2020 election, I think we are on the accelerating downhill slope that we all fear and discuss. And if the Dems win the WH, Katie bar the door..

                The sky isnt falling but it sure is cracking a lot..

                • #126526
                  Max
                  Keymaster

                    But what is the point in moving? It will just happen in the next place. America is either America or not. In fact it isn’t anymore, it has been recreated in the Leftist image.

                    It started in Virginia last time. Maybe it will start in Virginia again?

                • #126549
                  Pinky
                  Participant

                    coming to a state near you….

                    I don’t think moving helps, it will follow you. I am anxious for sure, but will wait to see what actually happens before making any knee-jerk plans.

                    Those in VA, meet your Sheriff, get to know him/her and what their mindset is. I worked the polls yesterday for our local Board candidate and spent some time with mine and a few deputies (all like-minded). Find and meet your neighbors and know what you have nearby. Prepare to get involved in the process to object (people/neighbors and your sheriff. The VSA is a pretty well known org in the state government. They are Constitutionally elected and their oath is to the Constitution (FWIW).)

                    I spoke to a lawyer that specializes in NFA stuff. A few observations:
                    1. don’t expect the court to save us. Fed District 4 is loaded with Obama appointees and the last few cases failed “in the name of safety” (NJ mag ban being the latest)
                    2. expect TONS of lawsuits, depending on what actually passes. According to him, the arguments of various Bill of Rights violations will likely lose, but the big one is COST. The cost to police, arrest, jail millions of felons is astronomical. How does that get paid for??? He seems to think that is a huge deal.
                    3. NFA stuff – I called about that. He said he was 99% sure that it would be illegal (privacy) for the state to request the NFA list for Virginia to go and arrest. This may not be a concern for all of you, but if you own SBR’s, suppressors, etc, you are on the national registry with an address.

                    stay involved.

                  • #126567
                    AntMan
                    Participant

                      But what is the point in moving? It will just happen in the next place. America is either America or not. In fact it isn’t anymore, it has been recreated in the Leftist image.

                      It started in Virginia last time. Maybe it will start in Virginia again?

                      NYC seems to do the spreading from the east, and California from the west. I don’t know if there is a way to counteract the narrative with billions behind it…

                      2xcqbc
                      1xclc

                    • #126602
                      Joe (G.W.N.S.)
                      Moderator

                        But what is the point in moving?

                        I have in the past advocated moving, though not as a solution, but to buy time or to relocate to an more rural location.

                        However I don’t believe there is much more time to be bought. Still wouldn’t want to be a city/suburban dweller.

                        A clash is coming.

                        It started in Virginia last time. Maybe it will start in Virginia again?

                        Similar thought occurred to me.

                      • #126603
                        Max
                        Keymaster
                        • #127466
                          D Close
                          Moderator

                            The Democrats are weighing options, no doubt. A law that does not conform to the Constitution as we understand it, is no law at all. The SCOTUS interpretation is somewhat irrelevant. The plain language in our founding documents is pretty clear. The question for each person is “how will I (not) comply?” 1) hand them over, 2) pretend to hand them over, 3) resist covertly, 4) resist overtly. Friendly course of action will be guided by the IPB you have prepared for your AO/AI. There is nothing wrong with occupying better terrain, geographic, or human. This will help your goals as a member of a group as well. If you are being flanked, best attend to it.
                            It’s a shitty deal and the ignorance and ambivalence out there is infuriating. Gotta deal with reality. I can say with some certainty that your neighbors could be the death of you. They could save your life. Joe has an IPB thread in the Intelligence forum. Read it again. We can start working those Intelligence Requirements there.

                          • #127535
                            Pinky
                            Participant

                              a couple of points to ponder (I was reading up on this today, so handy to post):

                              1. the courts likely won’t save us and don’t count on it, BUT, Virginia has a specific, enumerated Constitutional provision to in theory, prevent overreach from the General Assembly. I am not sure of the correlation, but see: http://www.keepandbeararms.com/information/XcIBViewItem.asp?ID=841. The states WITHOUT such a provision are California, New York, New Jersey, Maryland, Iowa, Minnesota.
                              a. Court cases will go to circuit court, then to the State Supreme Court.
                              b. There are a few 2A advocates on the SC.
                              For example: https://scholarship.richmond.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2982&context=lawreview&fbclid=IwAR1MFASbSQTD1PIZwCKB7r8h6bZsF0A_-1Q5BuQF-sBAdU-ykux671ODkKg
                              c. BUT, the Federal 4th Circuit WILL screw us under the current judges as a plurality were appointed by Obama, several by Clinton. They upheld the Maryland “Assault Weapon Ban” as constitutional. See: https://www.nationalreview.com/2017/02/fourth-circuit-decision-maryland-assault-weapons-ban-constitutional-travesty/ . They ignored Heller and created a new standard of “most useful by the military” (and if something meets that standard, not protected by the 2nd Amendment)
                              2. As stated in another post, contact your Sheriff and Board of Supervisors, local gov.folks and let them know how you feel about unconstitutional laws.
                              3. Join VCDL and get involved in contacting the lawmakers. They need to know that there is more than their local NoVA/Richmond base clamoring to disarm folks. VCDL will organize easy ways to make contact in addition to Lobby Day (January) and other events.

                            • #127644
                              trailman
                              Participant

                                Those in VA, meet your Sheriff, get to know him/her and what their mindset is. I worked the polls yesterday for our local Board candidate and spent some time with mine and a few deputies (all like-minded). Find and meet your neighbors and know what you have nearby. Prepare to get involved in the process to object (people/neighbors and your sheriff. The VSA is a pretty well known org in the state government. They are Constitutionally elected and their oath is to the Constitution (FWIW).)

                                Are all your Sheriffs elected? FWIW ours is and he’s a good old boy. Came out against the bans here, but. I asked him one time if he would resist confiscation and didn’t get a comforting response. Either way any resistance will start local. At least one plus for VA is you guys have a hell of a lot of square miles that are rural than urban. That’s a lot of territory to police.

                              • #127678
                                Pinky
                                Participant

                                  I believe they are all elected.

                                  We have two 2A sanctuary counties since the election and more on they way. This is going to get interesting. I am sure it will be urban vs. rural. I wonder how the mini-tyrant Red Ralph will respond. Withholding funds or similar action will only deepen the divide.

                                • #127931
                                  rampantraptor
                                  Participant

                                    I believe they are all elected.

                                    We have two 2A sanctuary counties since the election and more on they way. This is going to get interesting. I am sure it will be urban vs. rural. I wonder how the mini-tyrant Red Ralph will respond. Withholding funds or similar action will only deepen the divide.

                                    Generally speaking Sheriffs are elected. The PITA is that many of us live in areas where the Sheriff is a figurehead and most power is given to police commissioners who are appointed by the executive. When the AWB was being pushed in Annapolis we got to see firsthand (I was there, it was my first protest) the Democrat BPD police commissioner, appointed by a Democratic mayor, being interviewed by legislative Democrats as to whether an AWB would address gun crime in Baltimore, you can guess how that went.

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