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    • #148086
      First Sergeant
      Moderator

        Unless you live under a rock I’m sure you are seeing what is going on across the country.

        It may not be happening where you live, but that could change very quickly.

        Use all of your resources to keep up to date on what is going on in your AO.

        You do not want to be driving down the road and then all of a sudden wonder about where all the people surrounding your car came from.

        Stay vigilante, stay armed.

        I have a feeling this is just the beginning of a long summer.

        Updated thread title. Post updates from the riots in this thread.

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      • #148088
        Joe (G.W.N.S.)
        Moderator

          So far here in Florida things have been very mild. Jacksonville had peaceful protests, followed by a separate group intent on some rioting. It was dispersed quickly. So far only some reports of successful graffiti.

          Tampa and Miami however has had some looting and small scale riots compared to other parts of country. This seems typical of Socialist leaning cities where they are slower to react inviting more damage by not forcefully stopping it.

          I rarely go to anything approaching bigger cities these days and am quite happy.

          That said I exchanged my in vehicle extra pistol magazines with 30 round magazines normally used for plinking with my Beretta M9.

          It’s doubtful I would ever need them, but why not? ;-)

        • #148090
          Joe (G.W.N.S.)
          Moderator

            I am more concerned about lightning strikes than riots!

            Actually here in Florida so am I.

            So you still think 30 plus million unemployed and substantial damage to the Nations economy was worth shutting things down over something with less than 1% mortality?

          • #148093
            Joe (G.W.N.S.)
            Moderator

              More people die of the flu every year. Riots are no big deal!

              That’s the best you can do?

              If you want whine about my analysis of COVID-19; where I clearly stated the numbers didn’t justify the hype and I was right, start your own Thread. I would be happy to discuss it.

              However this derailment of First Sergeant’s Thread is over!

              Contribute a useful comment, start a separate thread, or I will delete your comments.

              I suggest a separate thread, but the choice is yours. ;-)

            • #148108
              DuaneH
              Participant

                I live on the distal side of a bedroom community to Columbia, SC. The “peaceful” protests turned not so peaceful. So far the worse thing that happened was a police officer was shot at.

                I quit working in downtown Columbia 2 years ago and had plans to do it earlier than that. The reason= what is going on right now. I saw the writing on the wall.

                I work 45 miles south of Columbia in a small town.

              • #148109
                wheelsee
                Participant

                  Something to think about is whose involved. While there are legitimate reasons to protest, beware the agitators interspersed.

                  The below is from the owner of “Uncle Hugo’s Science Fiction Bookstore, Uncle Edgar’s Mystery Bookstore” – one of the stores destroyed by fire in the Minneapolis riots. http://www.unclehugo.com/prod/index.shtml

                  Copying directly from the link – “Per the local authorities, as of this morning, virtually all of the people arrested for these crimes are from out of state. Eyewitness accounts and livestreams report fires being set by young white men.”

                  Set your biases/prejudices aside and deal appropriately with the information coming in.

                • #148110
                  Ronin42
                  Participant

                    Atlanta is on fire.
                    I used to live 5 miles from the supposed riot.
                    There is a video of a couple that got dragged out of there car after and arrested after marital law was in effect…
                    I have fried that live too close for my comfort…
                    And I’m sitting on my hands as it burns..
                    All I can think to do is watch, but I’m at a loss…

                    mvt alumni CTT & DCH
                    some other schools..

                    part time tactical couch potato

                  • #148112
                    Ronin42
                    Participant

                      And then you have Minneapolis Police shooting at people in their homes on their own property, granted it is tear gas for now
                      I also question the reality of it

                      mvt alumni CTT & DCH
                      some other schools..

                      part time tactical couch potato

                    • #148113
                      wheelsee
                      Participant
                      • #148114
                        wheelsee
                        Participant
                        • #148115
                          Joe (G.W.N.S.)
                          Moderator

                            Never bring a knife (sword) to a mob fight. THINK things OUT BEFORE acting.

                            Yea I don’t know what that guy was thinking, at least the guy in Utah with a bow and arrow didn’t get that level of a beatdown.

                          • #148146
                            First Sergeant
                            Moderator

                              Never bring a knife (sword) to a mob fight. THINK things OUT BEFORE acting.

                              https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2020/05/31/graphic-warning-man-reportedly-trying-to-defend-a-local-business-savagely-beaten-n2569757

                              Yeah, that guy was not thinking clearly.

                              FILO
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                              Je ne regrette rien
                              In Orbe Terrum Non Visi

                            • #148150
                              First Sergeant
                              Moderator

                                St Johns Church in D.C. has been set on fire.

                                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._John%27s_Episcopal_Church,_Lafayette_Square

                                FILO
                                Signal Out, Can You Identify
                                Je ne regrette rien
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                              • #148156
                                contentneaman
                                Participant

                                  A very peaceful demonstratration yesterday in a small city about 10 miles south of me. Today protests started off peacefully in Greenville, NC but have turned very bad. I am only about 15 miles from there in a rural area and listening to the scanner now. They have requested help from anyone within 100 miles. Small groups are dispersed around the city and are setting small fires and busting out windows to businesses. All big box stores have closed and they have ordered all other businesses to close. Rumors are going around that people from out of state showed up after the peaceful protesters left and started making trouble. I have a few friends who are local law enforcement and state highway patrol that have been called out to help. I finally sent my slide off to get milled for an mrds and should be here tomorrow. Sure do hope it gets here in time. Until then the long gun will be riding with me if I have to go anywhere. If anyone is in the eastern nc area and needs anything let me know.

                                • #148158
                                  First Sergeant
                                  Moderator

                                    Add Lynchburg, VA to the festivities.

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                                  • #148160
                                    Thomas
                                    Participant

                                      Fredericksburg also. Attempted to burn the police station. Currently, there is a local state of emergency and curfew.

                                    • #148167
                                      Dark Knight
                                      Participant

                                        There was a peaceful protest in my small community of Warrenton, VA yesterday. Manassas had a less than peaceful event on Saturday night, and peaceful protest yesterday.
                                        We had heard rumors that there was going to be an attempt to burn down the county courthouse (dates to the 1800’s) last night, but I have not heard anything about it occurring.
                                        I would not have thought of the protests coming to Warrenton. The head swivel will be more pronounced now! The weapons closer to the bed!

                                      • #148172
                                        Groundwork
                                        Participant

                                          Broward and Miami-Dade County in south Florida were both put under curfew last night. Just as Covid-19 lockdowns were finally easing, we now have this.

                                        • #148184
                                          Ronin42
                                          Participant

                                            Gainesville GA had some last night, so did Athens. the latter was not a riot, but there was vandalism.
                                            Gainesville was violent though.. then there is Atlanta.
                                            there is suppose to be another one this Saturday too..
                                            some reports suggest that a academy was mobbed.. i’m thinking guns for this Saturday, assuming that the report is true.

                                            i’m needing to find out if there is one in Savannah GA too, i have to see a friend there this weekend.

                                            mvt alumni CTT & DCH
                                            some other schools..

                                            part time tactical couch potato

                                          • #148185
                                            wheelsee
                                            Participant

                                              US Hwy 75 N (MAJOR thoroughfare going through Dallas) currently closed due to protestors blocking traffic (4-6 lanes one-way)

                                              Woodall Rogers is the cut through to get over to I35. US HWY 75 starts in Dallas where I45 ends.

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                                            • #148192
                                              wesmc
                                              Participant

                                                All is quiet in Oak Hill, WV. There were low-key events over the weekend in nearby Fayetteville and Beckley, but no rioting or violence.

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                                              • #148195
                                                Andrew
                                                Participant

                                                  These are protests in name only. This is NOT spontaneous, this is sponsored political violence when piles of brick are conveniently located along the “protest” march route and some of the protestors are wearing Secret Service type ear pieces.

                                                  IMO, Mr. Floyd’s death just happened to be a convenient reason to start the ball early. Stay away from crowds and have alternative routes.

                                                • #148196
                                                  Joe (G.W.N.S.)
                                                  Moderator

                                                    Here is an example of a Sheriffs Department getting tough with rioters.

                                                    Rioters in Jacksonville, FL, continued to march and chant “No justice, no peace” on Sunday after being warned that they would be arrested if they didn’t leave. Video obtained by Breitbart News’s Jerome Hudson showed officers wrestling rioters to the ground. The rioters were identified by police as being involved in vandalism earlier in the day.

                                                    “…after being warned that they would be arrested if they didn’t leave.”

                                                    There was no further warning after the deadline.

                                                    These rioters thought they could disperse and reform in a different location.

                                                    It didn’t work.

                                                  • #148198
                                                    joe dirt
                                                    Participant

                                                      If you haven’t already done so,I encourage everyone to look up your state’s self defense statutes so you have a clear understanding of when you can and cannot use deadly force. I’ve done this for several clients in various states and just about all of them allow the use of deadly force to prevent arson, but not for other crimes involving property damage. if you are forced to confront looters/rioters you need to have an escalation of force plan in place and have thought out the point at which deadly force would be appropriate given your local laws. Interestingly most states also allow the use of deadly force if someone is trying to remove you from an occupied vehicle.

                                                    • #148199
                                                      Joe (G.W.N.S.)
                                                      Moderator

                                                      • #148200
                                                        Joe (G.W.N.S.)
                                                        Moderator

                                                          Despite the poor audio quality the above conference call has more value than the obvious current events.

                                                        • #148201
                                                          Civilianresponder
                                                          Participant

                                                            Just saw this on Instagram

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                                                          • #148204
                                                            gramma
                                                            Participant

                                                              Hampshire Co. WV is pretty normal these days – and it’s still quiet here. (Been SUPER busy… lots of farm work.)

                                                              But since these nefarious activities continue today – there are certain plans being brought up from the dusty hiding place… additional personnel are being considered for invitations… (as a precaution and for planning purposes) and I’m well aware I’m too damn close to DC – even if I am well off the highway. Kids have been off work since the virus – so a LOT of stuff is getting done around here.

                                                              So I’m mostly monitoring the regional situation (Pittsburgh was a hotspot last night) and keeping an eye on license plates when I go out.

                                                            • #148208
                                                              gatlinggun
                                                              Participant

                                                                Cincinnati, Ohio had riots over the weekend. Lots of smashed windows and vandalism.

                                                                The “gimme dats” of the “Free Shit Army” were out in force.

                                                              • #148221
                                                                Spoon
                                                                Participant

                                                                  I can only speak to the Northern VA area. I live in Fauquier County and work in Prince William/Manassas area.

                                                                  There was a protest on Saturday that turned somewhat violent in that flash bags, tear gas and pepper spray were used. There was another protest in Liberia that was very peaceful.

                                                                  There are 2 more protests in Old Town and Gainesville today that I cannot report on because I don’t follow this play by play. I will know more tomorrow.

                                                                  Me coming from a conservative perspective and talking to black people I work with from a liberal perspective…. we both seem to think the violence is coming from “outside actors”. That is how it seems. I work with a woman who’s husband is a Prince William cop….he got the same impression while working the protests on Sudley. Most were extremely peaceful but there were people in “the back” that wanted to chuck bricks.

                                                                • #148225
                                                                  pointless pockets
                                                                  Participant

                                                                    Winchester had one yesterday. Very peaceful. Another scheduled for Friday. Good ole Romney seems very normal.

                                                                  • #148231
                                                                    wheelsee
                                                                    Participant

                                                                      Dallas is trying to arrest ~ 300 on one of our bridges (Margaret Hunt Bridge – crosses the Trinity River). BUT the County DA (John Creuzot) states he won’t prosecute (same guy that gives a free pass to shoplifting under $750)

                                                                      Governor Abbott has said ANY protestor from out-of-state will be charged federally.

                                                                    • #148243
                                                                      onegunshort
                                                                      Participant

                                                                        I have notice that local news frequently is not so good at telling people where the problems are. On my drive back to Baltimore this weekend, I assumed there was a problem downtown and went around the beltway to approach my house from the opposite end of the city.

                                                                      • #148308
                                                                        First Sergeant
                                                                        Moderator

                                                                          Sunday night and Monday night Lynchburg had demonstrations that ended with shots fired and arrest.

                                                                          Today and tonight they were demonstrations downtown and at Liberty University.

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                                                                        • #148318
                                                                          First Sergeant
                                                                          Moderator

                                                                            I dont like these riots. I think I’ll avoid them.

                                                                            That’s damn good advice. That’s why I wanted a tracker in this thread to give people an idea of what’s going on in places that aren’t being covered elsewhere.

                                                                            If your comment is in reference to still being pissed off because I didn’t agree with you about the fucking virus, grow up.

                                                                            Don’t post in this thread again.

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                                                                          • #148429
                                                                            First Sergeant
                                                                            Moderator

                                                                              This ain’t about justice, it’s about erasing history.

                                                                              Polish Ambassador is Angry with Rioters Defacing Polish American Revolutionary Heroes’ Statues in Washington

                                                                              FILO
                                                                              Signal Out, Can You Identify
                                                                              Je ne regrette rien
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                                                                            • #148474
                                                                              pointless pockets
                                                                              Participant

                                                                                People are saying that people are being biased in from Baltimore tomorrow for the protest in Winchester.

                                                                              • #148475
                                                                                pointless pockets
                                                                                Participant

                                                                                  Bussed. Dang autocorrect

                                                                                • #148477
                                                                                  ffhounddog
                                                                                  Participant

                                                                                    If anyone needs ammo or such in the DC metro area let me know. I will sale some to you.

                                                                                    I am in a hotel with a tree on my house so going through that and do not mind letting some ammo and gear off to assist others in the MVT community.

                                                                                  • #148616
                                                                                    Robin Turner
                                                                                    Participant

                                                                                      Local Facebook group says BLM is planning to host a party in Cookeville, TN tomorrow. They say there will be busses involved. Some locals are saying they plan to be there to protect businesses. It could be interesting.

                                                                                    • #148675
                                                                                      jwoop66
                                                                                      Participant

                                                                                        A good time to take names and any info you can get. Look to your local free “hipster” newspaper. The kind that tells you all the cool bands and cool places to go in your town. Look at the editor and any reporters. Go to their facebook pages. Look for local rallies. Make notes.

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                                                                                      • #148677
                                                                                        First Sergeant
                                                                                        Moderator

                                                                                          https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2020/06/06/blm-protesters-vandalise-scale-abraham-lincoln-statue-london/

                                                                                          FILO
                                                                                          Signal Out, Can You Identify
                                                                                          Je ne regrette rien
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                                                                                        • #148698
                                                                                          BrothersKeeper
                                                                                          Participant

                                                                                            My 17 and 15 year old daughters have had their minds and hearts captured by the cultural Marxist agenda. I have tried many things to turn them but I currently am fighting a losing battle. They want to go to this Black Lives Matter event in our local neighborhood so they can demonstrate their solidarity with the cause. So far I have completely forbid them from attending any of the local protests. I might go with them to this one if they do some required reading I give them to begin to get a different and mire balanced perspective. I’m trying not to lose them completely and not be a hard ass, but damn this stuff is insidious and dangerous the way it captures young people.

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                                                                                          • #148707
                                                                                            wheelsee
                                                                                            Participant

                                                                                              My 17 and 15 year old daughters have had their minds and hearts captured by the cultural Marxist agenda. I’m trying not to lose them completely and not be a hard ass, but damn this stuff is insidious and dangerous the way it captures young people.

                                                                                              Man, I feel for ya!! My daughter is late 20s. I spent many nights/days discussing history, logic, what’s right/what’s wrong, etc. I also spent many times on my knees.

                                                                                              I made it clear we could discuss anything BUT if she asked a question, we would look at all the various viewpoints. She would ask hard questions and my standard response was “What are your thoughts?” I fought hard to always separate the topic from the person – “what are the pros/cons?” “any other options?”.

                                                                                              I will tell you that while I really didn’t think she was listening as a teenager, I found out different as she became an adult and I’d hear her say some of the very things I’d told her years earlier.

                                                                                              I also learned to ask “hey, how am I doing as a father?” The first time, she let me off easy, I think she was weighing my response. Though I wanted to say “but you don’t understand”, I just shut my mouth and said I’ll work on it. A couple of weeks later, I asked again, she BLASTED me (trust has to be there before this will happen). I swallowed hard, said “Ok, I’ll work on it” (when I looked hard at what she said, I could see her point/issue). She is late 20’s and I still ask every couple of months, tends to be minor perceptions with an occasional, “you’re doing great padre”.

                                                                                              It is a journey and I understand your concern. Be there, ask them questions, LISTEN to their answers (without responding – remember women want to be heard, for us to be sounding boards). When my wife or daughter start to gripe, I still ask them “are you wanting me to solve this or are you just wanting me to listen”. Letting go as a parent is HARD (especially with daughters – my father told my wife to pray for sons as they were much easier to raise, ALAS I was blessed with a daughter).

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                                                                                            • #148726
                                                                                              wheelsee
                                                                                              Participant

                                                                                                @BrothersKeeper

                                                                                                Also be a resource for the “other side” (of BLM). Introduce them to Candace Owens, Sheriff David Clarke, the HodgeTwins, Josh Pray, Marcus Rogers, Joel Patrick, Elbert Lee Guillory, etc (all found on FB). These are ALL black Americans (their term) who have opposing views of BLM.

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                                                                                              • #148731
                                                                                                Civilianresponder
                                                                                                Participant

                                                                                                  @wheelsee and @brotherskeeper you could include Shelby Steele on that list. I heard him speaking on the news and he made some good points about “racism” in our country.

                                                                                                • #150494
                                                                                                  Ronin42
                                                                                                  Participant

                                                                                                    i don’t know if y’all have heard,on the forth of July, there was an armed protest at stone mountain in GA. word was it was a peaceful 2a rally, but given the videos i saw, it didn’t seem so peaceful. seemed like the group was clamoring for a fight.
                                                                                                    they also seemed well organized too, like in unit formation almost…
                                                                                                    interesting..
                                                                                                    id like to hear thoughts on this

                                                                                                    https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=829879467417926&id=100011876416022&fs=0&focus_composer=0

                                                                                                    https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=829878897417983&id=100011876416022&fs=0&focus_composer=0

                                                                                                    mvt alumni CTT & DCH
                                                                                                    some other schools..

                                                                                                    part time tactical couch potato

                                                                                                  • #150502
                                                                                                    Ronin42
                                                                                                    Participant

                                                                                                      i don’t know if y’all have heard,on the forth of July, there was an armed protest at stone mountain in GA. word was it was a peaceful 2a rally, but given the videos i saw, it didn’t seem so peaceful. seemed like the group was clamoring for a fight.
                                                                                                      they also seemed well organized too, like in unit formation almost…
                                                                                                      interesting..
                                                                                                      id like to hear thoughts on this

                                                                                                      these are the videos i’m referencing;
                                                                                                      i think i added them correctly

                                                                                                      https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=829879467417926&id=100011876416022&fs=0&focus_composer=0

                                                                                                      https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=829878897417983&id=100011876416022&fs=0&focus_composer=0

                                                                                                      mvt alumni CTT & DCH
                                                                                                      some other schools..

                                                                                                      part time tactical couch potato

                                                                                                    • #150829
                                                                                                      gatlinggun
                                                                                                      Participant

                                                                                                        The army of Wakonda invaded Georgia on the 4th. Lol!!

                                                                                                        The Grandmaster Jay takes the Free Shit Army to a new level. He doesn’t want a free TV, he wants someone to give them land. I say give them Detroit. Then build a tall thick wall around it. Like the Hotel California, they can enter but they can’t leave.

                                                                                                        Seriously, these guys seem to have a network set up, money backing, and a will to fight. We ignore them at our peril.

                                                                                                      • #150831
                                                                                                        DuaneH
                                                                                                        Participant

                                                                                                          Was not able to watch the facebook videos, but I did watch some footage on youtube which was from a tv report. I would like to have seen some raw footage.

                                                                                                          Most of the people there it was clear they had just acquired their gear and did not know how to wear it. Not even talking about the guns. One big fault is the vast majority of them did not have a water source such as canteens or camelbaks. Some did, but I saw a few people that looked like they were succumbing to the heat. There were a few people that I saw (mostly in the periphery) that had their kit squared away and looked like they actually knew how to use it.

                                                                                                          At least in theory I agree with their right to protest peacefully and even keep and bear arms, if this had been an event of white protestors there to protest the removal of a statue or something the media would have gone into shitstorm mode. Particularly if their were racial epithets used and open taunting like the person on the megaphone did.

                                                                                                          I would say that they have something that we don’t: Organization and unity of purpose. My impression about the current “movement” is they are willing to use violence to achieve their goals. I don’t mean violence directed at the powers that be I mean violence directed towards anyone that doesn’t agree with them and against those who do not look like them.

                                                                                                          I have a sense of impending doom that something is going to happen in the near future that will spark outright violence. I also suspect we may be getting ready to enter 4th generational warfare.

                                                                                                          When violence erupts I hope I am far away. There are people on both sides that think they want it to come to violence. I say that these people have never seen a war. “It is good that war is so horrible, lest we grow to fond of it.”

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                                                                                                        • #150835
                                                                                                          DuaneH
                                                                                                          Participant

                                                                                                            I watched the videos again and found a few more and watched with sound. So this identifies themselves as a militia and not a protest group. Call it what you will, if they were white they would be called a white supremicist hate group.

                                                                                                          • #150854
                                                                                                            Ronin42
                                                                                                            Participant

                                                                                                              Seriously, these guys seem to have a network set up, money backing, and a will to fight. We ignore them at our peril.

                                                                                                              I would say that they have something that we don’t: Organization and unity of purpose. My impression about the current “movement” is they are willing to use violence to achieve their goals. I don’t mean violence directed at the powers that be I mean violence directed towards anyone that doesn’t agree with them and against those who do not look like them.

                                                                                                              THAT is one of my largest concerns
                                                                                                              I’ve tried to contact a few local groups in my area, but to little avail, save jrh, and most are too paranoid to even message back.

                                                                                                              I’ve tried to get like minded people to come and train, and have learning days. even went as far as to offer to pay, and drive them and no cost to them… they are simply too fat and lazy to get off the couch. so ill end up leaving them behind, as they wish. too much bloated ego.

                                                                                                              the fact is they have the will to fight, and enough backers to arm themselves..
                                                                                                              they will learn as time goes…
                                                                                                              they will want to fight more every day…
                                                                                                              they will end up getting better in time…

                                                                                                              what have i done to better my chances today?

                                                                                                              mvt alumni CTT & DCH
                                                                                                              some other schools..

                                                                                                              part time tactical couch potato

                                                                                                            • #150882
                                                                                                              wesmc
                                                                                                              Participant

                                                                                                                @Ronin42 I have a place near Oak Hill, WV, if you want to drop by and train? Any MVT alumni are welcome.

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                                                                                                              • #150883
                                                                                                                Ronin42
                                                                                                                Participant

                                                                                                                  i may take you up on it at some point on the soon side.
                                                                                                                  im in the GA area.

                                                                                                                  mvt alumni CTT & DCH
                                                                                                                  some other schools..

                                                                                                                  part time tactical couch potato

                                                                                                                • #150885
                                                                                                                  Andrew
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                                                                                                                    Nothing to add, just posted for email updates on this thread.

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