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    • #76588
      Max
      Keymaster

        I post this video specifically for the segment between 3:33 and 6:39.

        (You can watch the rest of the video if you like, to get some handgun tips instead of attending the DCH in GA on 2/3 March) :scratch:

        The ricochet portion is very good and illustrates the point very well.

        Vehicle application:

        I have never understood the use of ‘urban prone’ when crouching on all fours under a vehicle to shoot. The hard points of a vehicle are the wheel wells and engine block. If you are going prone to shoot under a vehicle get the body behind the wheels, extended out in normal prone.

        Using a corner on the interior or exterior of a building to shoot from has specific hazards. This also applies to barricade shooting if that barricade is the end / corner of a wall. If the wall is hard, then rounds can ricochet along it as shown in the video. If it is a soft wall, then it is concealment and not cover, and if the enemy aims short, they may simply shoot you through the corner of the wall.

        Food for your thought.

        https://youtu.be/mRpneRYaRNU?t=213

      • #76589
        Lloyd
        Participant

          Good illustration!

        • #76590
          Joe (G.W.N.S.)
          Moderator

            segment between 3:33 and 6:39

            Great illustration!

            Before we became a “kinder and gentler” Nation, I remember being taught how to use this to bounce OO Buck across ground to take rioters feet and legs out from under them.

            Times change. :unsure:

            …to get some handgun tips instead of attending the DCH…

            Funny stuff Max.

            Man we have come a long way since back then as depicted in rest of video. ;-)

          • #76591
            Max
            Keymaster

              Man we have come a long way since back then as depicted in rest of video

              Gonna get yourself to the DCH in GA? Just up the road Joe!

            • #76592
              Joe (G.W.N.S.)
              Moderator

                Gonna get yourself to the DCH in GA?

                Remember that overseas trip I mentioned?

                Just up the road Joe!

                Yea it would have been, timing sucks!

              • #76593
                Virgil Kane
                Participant

                  Thanks Max. I’ve been taught that, but I’ve never seen it demonstrated.

                • #76594
                  JohnnyMac
                  Participant

                    The Chechens in Grozny reported how the 5.45 ricochets noticeably more than the 7.62×39. They claim it led to some fratricide incidents (although I have a feeling that wasn’t the root cause).

                    In terms of urban prone, there is a different technique with a pistol that provides greater recoil mitigation and ergonomics than a standard prone, but it’s meant specifically for being being a wheel, or similar. And no, I’m not talking about flopping on your side.

                  • #76595
                    Andrew
                    Participant

                      At 10:59 in the video I noticed he is unloading the empties into his hand instead of dumping them on the ground. Bad habit to get into with a wheel gun.

                    • #76596
                      Joe (G.W.N.S.)
                      Moderator

                        …unloading the empties into his hand instead of dumping them on the ground. Bad habit to get into with a wheel gun.

                        Definitely, but most old timers should know better and not many young guys choosing a revolver these days. ;-)

                      • #76597
                        Lloyd
                        Participant

                          The Chechens in Grozny reported how the 5.45 ricochets noticeably more than the 7.62×39…

                          What do you mean by “ricochets more”? Penetrates less and more prone to ricochet?

                        • #76598
                          JohnnyMac
                          Participant

                            What do you mean by “ricochets more”?

                            Straight from the book:

                            Musa himself was well armed, “I carried a Kalashnikov, the older 7.62mm model, not the smaller 5.45 mm model. The larger round is much better than the 5.45mm because it is less likely to ricochet in urban and forest fighting. Several of our people were killed in Grozny from friendly fire – ricochets from the 5.45mm round.”

                          • #116193
                            lucky_luke
                            Participant

                              Fyi, the original video is down. The youtube message said its due to the user having their account terminated.

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