Ricochet Dangers for Vehicle & Urban Operations
February 7, 2019 at 6:33 pm #76588MaxKeymaster
I post this video specifically for the segment between 3:33 and 6:39.
(You can watch the rest of the video if you like, to get some handgun tips instead of attending the DCH in GA on 2/3 March)
The ricochet portion is very good and illustrates the point very well.
I have never understood the use of ‘urban prone’ when crouching on all fours under a vehicle to shoot. The hard points of a vehicle are the wheel wells and engine block. If you are going prone to shoot under a vehicle get the body behind the wheels, extended out in normal prone.
Using a corner on the interior or exterior of a building to shoot from has specific hazards. This also applies to barricade shooting if that barricade is the end / corner of a wall. If the wall is hard, then rounds can ricochet along it as shown in the video. If it is a soft wall, then it is concealment and not cover, and if the enemy aims short, they may simply shoot you through the corner of the wall.
Food for your thought.
February 7, 2019 at 7:47 pm #76589LloydParticipant
February 7, 2019 at 8:01 pm #76590
segment between 3:33 and 6:39
Before we became a “kinder and gentler” Nation, I remember being taught how to use this to bounce OO Buck across ground to take rioters feet and legs out from under them.
…to get some handgun tips instead of attending the DCH…
Funny stuff Max.
Man we have come a long way since back then as depicted in rest of video.
February 7, 2019 at 8:11 pm #76591
February 7, 2019 at 8:23 pm #76592
February 8, 2019 at 6:14 am #76593Virgil KaneParticipant
Thanks Max. I’ve been taught that, but I’ve never seen it demonstrated.
February 8, 2019 at 8:10 am #76594JohnnyMacParticipant
The Chechens in Grozny reported how the 5.45 ricochets noticeably more than the 7.62×39. They claim it led to some fratricide incidents (although I have a feeling that wasn’t the root cause).
In terms of urban prone, there is a different technique with a pistol that provides greater recoil mitigation and ergonomics than a standard prone, but it’s meant specifically for being being a wheel, or similar. And no, I’m not talking about flopping on your side.
February 8, 2019 at 10:59 pm #76595AndrewParticipant
At 10:59 in the video I noticed he is unloading the empties into his hand instead of dumping them on the ground. Bad habit to get into with a wheel gun.
February 8, 2019 at 11:25 pm #76596
February 9, 2019 at 6:31 pm #76597
February 11, 2019 at 10:08 am #76598JohnnyMacParticipant
What do you mean by “ricochets more”?
Straight from the book:
Musa himself was well armed, “I carried a Kalashnikov, the older 7.62mm model, not the smaller 5.45 mm model. The larger round is much better than the 5.45mm because it is less likely to ricochet in urban and forest fighting. Several of our people were killed in Grozny from friendly fire – ricochets from the 5.45mm round.”
August 22, 2019 at 10:03 pm #116193lucky_lukeParticipant
Fyi, the original video is down. The youtube message said its due to the user having their account terminated.
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