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    • #89344
      Pinky
      Participant

        here we go. Virginia will be looking like NY, NJ, CT if not this year, then next. the commies have taken over the government.

        https://wset.com/news/at-the-capitol/gov-northam-announces-gun-control-package-to-be-introduced-in-next-session

      • #89345
        Max
        Keymaster

          Hmmmm. ‘Assault firearms’ and mags greater than 10 rounds.

          How likely is this to pass? How effective will the VCDL be on this?

          If this happens, there will be a lot of people a lot closer to home who will need to put up or shut up about 2A and Molon Labe etc….

          :unsure:

        • #89346
          First Sergeant
          Moderator

            Not likely this session. The next elections will tip it one way or the other.

            FILO
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          • #89347
            Pinky
            Participant

              Everyone who can, join the VCDL and show up for Lobby Day on January 21st. Numbers make a difference. CALL your reps (that means more than e-mail).

              If you go, be prepared to speak rationally and intelligently about your rights to people who you can tell want you locked up.

            • #89348
              Max
              Keymaster

                I just joined VCDL.

                Tell us more about this lobby day?

              • #89349
                Max
                Keymaster
                • #89350
                  Pinky
                  Participant

                    detail here: https://vcdl.org/

                    scroll down to: VCDL Lobby Day: Monday, January 21, 2019, 8 a.m. to 12 p.m.

                    Basically, show up, get put on a team (or volunteer to be a team leader). You will have assigned delegates/senators to go speak to. In past years, the pro-gun folks will welcome you with open arms, and the anti-gunners will either put a nasty sign on their door, give you a legislative aide to talk to (that will type on their phone and ignore you), or will actually engage in a thoughtful conversation with you.

                    The intent is multi-fold; show strength in numbers, show that we are not all toothless redneck retards, but the opposite (professional, well-dressed, upstanding members of society), and to hopefully engage in sharing of facts (FBI crime stats, personal stories, etc) and conversation to change minds.

                    Per the link, you can catch a bus if you don’t want to drive. There will be several speakers as listed at the link. Here is a video from Lobby Day 2017 to give you an idea of the event (or at least the parts outside speaking to delegates/senators). I HIGHLY recommend attending, if you cannot attend, JOIN, and throw some $ towards the cause (either general fund or the VCDL PAC). The VCDL has done great things in the past for gun owners.

                    As the red plague grows, what used to be the iron curtain of Republicans in committees will fall (that is what stopped all prior attempts by the reds; they put the same bills forward EVERY year for UBC’s, AWB bans, mag bans, reg flag laws, etc). See: http://www2.vcdl.org/webapps/vcdl/2018leg.html for what they tried last year; repeat of every year prior and what is coming this session.

                    Max – not to put you on the spot, but I think the perspective of a lawful immigrant from England might be a good thing to let these idiots know that criminals don’t follow laws, and if you take the guns, they use knives, then what? Take the knives, etc.

                    Hope everyone can make it, if not join/contribute. We need a large show of force.

                  • #89351
                    Max
                    Keymaster

                      Max – not to put you on the spot, but I think the perspective of a lawful immigrant from England might be a good thing to let these idiots know that criminals don’t follow laws, and if you take the guns, they use knives, then what? Take the knives, etc.

                      I’m in the early stages of figuring out how to be there.

                      Lucky I already cancelled SHOT Show for this year.

                    • #89352
                      wheelsee
                      Participant

                        Don’t know if this will help……

                        2.9 drunken or impaired driving deaths per 100,000 people in Virginia in all of 2017. found here – https://patch.com/virginia/across-va/drunk-driving-virginia-how-state-ranks-fatal-crashes

                        While ALL gun deaths in VA was 12.1/100K…… found here – https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/firearm_mortality/firearm.htm

                        Keep in mind, above does NOT differentiate those gun deaths 2/2 police activities or suicide.

                        This article talks about local gun deaths but found that 80% were from suicide …….. https://www.newsleader.com/story/news/local/2017/03/05/guns-really-36-times-more-deadly-than-cars-va/98781392/

                        SO – TOTAL deaths 2/2 car crashes is 843 (found here – https://www.dmv.virginia.gov/safety/crash_data/crash_facts/crash_facts_17.pdf

                        And this document lists the various types of weapons used in crime in VA (found on page 55) – http://www.vsp.virginia.gov/downloads/Crime_in_Virginia/Crime_in_Virginia_2017.pdf

                        Many time, apples and elephants get compared…….

                      • #89353
                        Max
                        Keymaster

                          The attached posted on IG:

                        • #89354
                          Joe (G.W.N.S.)
                          Moderator

                            Good to hear there’s an established organization that already goes there yearly to promote Liberty.

                            I wish you well in this fight.

                          • #89355
                            Anonymous
                            Inactive

                              When things started getting bad here in Maryland there was always the chorus of folks who’d say “WeLL wHy DoN’T YOu MoVE tO A FrEe StAtE?” as if running and running from state to state would save our rights. Wherever you have some large metropolitan area it seems like you have gun-grabber Democrats take power, seems like NoVA is ready to fuck the rest of the state over for you guys.

                              Good luck.

                            • #89356
                              tango
                              Participant

                                Wish you guys the best. Anything I can do to help, feel free.

                              • #89357
                                Pinky
                                Participant

                                  Take the time to review the Legislative Tracker that VCDL provides:

                                  http://www2.vcdl.org/webapps/vcdl/2019leg.html

                                  They kindly provide an e-mail this committee button right in the page next to each bill.

                                  They need to hear from as many people as possible.

                                  Note: Let’s be polite and also pay attention, all of the bills fall into only a couple of committees, so no need to send an e-mail for each one.

                                  Hit it and be heard.

                                • #89358
                                  Mike Q
                                  Participant

                                    I read through the item tracker and I didn’t see anything about magazine size nor banning “assault style” rifles.

                                    I did see the one about “paramilitary” marching though…

                                  • #89359
                                    Max
                                    Keymaster

                                      I’m a little surprised at the lack of engagement in this one. I don’t expect people the make inflammatory or pointless ‘cold dead hands’ statements on a publicly viewable forum, but even so….

                                      1) Those out of Virginia seem to think this is happening on the moon and does not affect them.

                                      2) Those in VA seem in denial that this may ever happen. Maybe or maybe not this session, but what about after November with the Left running wild?

                                      My question to everyone is: what if it does actually happen? What then?

                                      The point being that any law passed in infringement of the 2A is in fact unlawful and is thus no law. Void. But it still does not stop these laws being passed, and then sadly enforced by Law Enforcement.

                                      We shouldn’t have to have ‘lobby day’ or event the VCDL, but we do and we need to. The downstream effect of a law being passed and enforced, even if in denial of your Constitutional rights, is that this inevitably leads to legal penalties – the ultimate result being raids on your home by Law Enforcement.

                                      So no, I’m not asking for people to start beating their chests, and ‘Molon Labe’ is pointless posturing. But what does it look like if inevitably these laws are passed, if not this year, but the next or in five years? And not juts in VA, but in your State soon also.

                                      What does non-compliance look like? What if you are trying to train and exercise your rights? On a personal level, the moment I make a live fire video and post it, even if neighbors have not called it in, I am subject to ‘tall poppy’ on home raids.

                                    • #89360
                                      Joe (G.W.N.S.)
                                      Moderator

                                        I didn’t see anything about magazine size nor banning “assault style” rifles.

                                        The original posted article had…

                                        Other lawmakers will patron legislation to ban the sale, purchase, possession, and transport of assault firearms in the Commonwealth.

                                        The bill also modifies the definition of assault firearm to any firearm that is equipped with a magazine that holds more than 10 rounds of ammunition.

                                        It hasn’t been introduced yet, but note “assault firearm” so all firearms so equipped, not just rifles.

                                        I’m a little surprised at the lack of engagement in this one.

                                        Hopefully it’s just because so far only a threat to introduce vice actual introduction of a bill.

                                        What does non-compliance look like? What if you are trying to train and exercise your rights? On a personal level, the moment I make a live fire video and post it, even if neighbors have not called it in, I am subject to ‘tall poppy’ on home raids.

                                        That’s the difference between non-compliance in say New York and Connecticut where people appear to be just hiding and say armed civil disobedience where groups decided to take a “in your face” approach as demonstrated in Pacific Northwest “I will not comply!” demonstrations.

                                        “WeLL wHy DoN’T YOu MoVE tO A FrEe StAtE?”

                                        I’ve recommended this action, but what is lost is the fact that this is all that remains if your not ready to face consequences.

                                        The consequences are potentially unpleasant, such as loss of property, imprisonment, and death. Death of not just yourself, but members of your household (husband, wife, children).

                                        Few; even here at MVT, truly appreciate how costly this threat can become. There’s a lot of denial going on and lack of appreciation of threats including from family and friends who may turn you in irregardless of previous “chest beating!”

                                      • #89361
                                        Pinky
                                        Participant

                                          IMHO this is the new tactic of the left (state level attacks as we are now seeing in VA).

                                          so far, appeals to the district courts have failed, most recently in NJ with the 3rd circuit. If you do a bit of research, the two judges that ruled in support of the mag ban (not a 2a violation, not a takings clause violation) where appointed by Obama, and the lone dissenting judge is a Trump appointee. Hopefully it goes to the full court.

                                          For this madness to stop, we’ll have to have two district courts disagree (i.e. we need a district court now to rule against a bad state gun-banning law) to get it to the SC, IF they will hear it.

                                          Ideally, weekend at Bernie’s (RBG) will be gone, replaced with an originalist, and we’ll have a 7-2 ruling to cement things.

                                          until then, I’d say carry on as per normal.

                                        • #89362
                                          Keeper
                                          Participant

                                            So Max you go from starting a Great Training Center to a weapons storage company what’s nexts Hot Tub rentals :good:
                                            I seen you on the NC Renegade site. I bet since the Dems are but in control in the congress Puch even more gun control I think will wake up and start get back in to training for what ever is coming down the pipe.
                                            I feel that in the next 18 months as we get closer to the elections there will be more riots and blood oil the streets.

                                          • #89363
                                            SeanT
                                            Keymaster

                                              I have been a VCDL member for years now and routinely email and sometimes call based on different things that come up. I have gone to lobby day in the past and spoke directly to representatives. I was pretty bummed that in my district, we lost Barbara Comstock this past election and now this governor…..

                                            • #89364
                                              trailman
                                              Participant

                                                @Pinky
                                                I’ll give some advice that you may already follow down there that the idiots up here don’t seem to get. Hopefully VCDL does. On your gun day not stitch of camo, molon labe shirts or come and take it signs, all business casual or suit and tie, wear a blaZe orange arm band. Up here in Annapolis it looks like the redneck regatta and those are the folks the press interview. The guys with no teeth, vocabulary or coherent speech. :negative:

                                              • #89365
                                                Pinky
                                                Participant

                                                  trailman – yep – I have worn either a suit/tie or pants/jacket in prior years and most dress the same way. I don’t remember seeing any slung AR’s or shotguns, but some open and mostly CC. This is part of the instructions sent out – dress professionally if you want to be treated that way.

                                                  thanks

                                                • #89366
                                                  tango
                                                  Participant

                                                    Extreme Risk Protective Order creates a legal mechanism to temporarily separate a person from their firearms and prevent them from accessing firearms when the court finds that they pose a substantial danger to themselves or others.

                                                    Confiscation.

                                                    The line in the sand has always seemed to be confiscation. Here it is. Violation of 1st, 2nd, 4th, 5th, and 6th amendments. Straight up authoritarian.

                                                    This is the line in the sand.

                                                  • #89367
                                                    trailman
                                                    Participant

                                                      Extreme Risk Protective Order creates a legal mechanism to temporarily separate a person from their firearms and prevent them from accessing firearms when the court finds that they pose a substantial danger to themselves or others.

                                                      Confiscation.

                                                      The line in the sand has always seemed to be confiscation. Here it is. Violation of 1st, 2nd, 4th, 5th, and 6th amendments. Straight up authoritarian.

                                                      This is the line in the sand.

                                                      They did that in MD, thing is any Ex Parte order already has that option built in. They are widening it now.

                                                    • #89368
                                                      First Sergeant
                                                      Moderator

                                                        From VCDL

                                                        1. Legislative Update
                                                        ************************************************************

                                                        Tonight was an excellent night for Virginia gun owners! THAT SAID, IF WE DON’T VOTE IN GOOD PEOPLE IN SEPTEMBER, THIS COULD ALL CHANGE NEXT YEAR.

                                                        The anti’s behaved themselves tonight. Of course it helped that a Capitol police officer was in the room the whole time to serve as a reminder to keep things civil. Chairman Farris made it clear in his initial remarks that incivility would NOT be tolerated.

                                                        Even Richmond Mayor Stoney, with interim police chief in tow, was there to push gun control.

                                                        BIG THANKS TO THE REPUBLICANS, WHO ALL VOTED CORRECTLY TONIGHT: Matt Fariss, Mike Webert, Nick Frietas, and Jeffrey Campbell.

                                                        NOTE: Keep Democrat John Bell in your prayers. He had to leave the subcommittee early tonight because of a tragedy within his family. No further information at this time.

                                                        Here are the bills and their status:

                                                        HB 2399, Delegate Lopez, allows police to drag their heels in approving gun purchases. KILLED by a 4 to 1 vote!

                                                        HB 2244, Delegate Sullivan, prohibits the possess or transport a firearm for someone committing a crime that is a MISDEMEANOR. KILLED by a 4 to 1 vote!

                                                        HB 1956, Delegate Toscano, bans guns during a “permitted event.” KILLED by a 4 to 1 vote!

                                                        HB 2479, Delegate Plum, Universal Background Checks. KILLED by a vote of 4 to 1!

                                                        HB 2285, Delegate Hayes, makes it a felony if an someone under 18 gets access to a firearm. KILLED by a vote of 4 to 1!

                                                        HB 2492, Delegate Tran, “assault” firearms that have magazines that hold more than 10 rounds. KILLED by a vote of 3 to 1!

                                                        HB 2604, Delegate Ward, One Handgun a Month bill. KILLED by a vote of 4 to 1!

                                                        HB 2253, Delegate Pogge, makes State Police issue non-resident CHPs in 45 days (currenttly taking 5 months). PASSED 4 to 2 and heads to full committee Friday morning!

                                                        HB 1763, Delegate Sullivan, Red Flag law. KILLED by 4 to 2 after long debate!

                                                        HB 1691, Delegate Simon, expands ban on completely-plastic guns. KILLED by a 4 to 2 vote!

                                                        HB 1644, Delegate Bourne, punishes gun owner who does not report a lost or stolen gun quickly enough with a fine and opens up civil and criminal liability. KILLED by a 4 to 2 vote!

                                                        HB 1992, Delegate Price, bans guns at local government meetings. KILLED by a 4 to 2!

                                                        HB 1654, Delegate Rasoul, prohibits loaded rifles in certain localities. KILLED by a 4 to 2!

                                                        HB 1856, Delegate McQuinn, bans guns in libraries. KILLED by a 4 to 2 vote!

                                                        FILO
                                                        Signal Out, Can You Identify
                                                        Je ne regrette rien
                                                        In Orbe Terrum Non Visi

                                                      • #89369
                                                        First Sergeant
                                                        Moderator

                                                          If you are a Virginian, the elections this year for State House and Senate are crucial.

                                                          I got some intel from someone that I trust completely. The D’s in Richmond are convinced that they will take over the House and Senate in this years elections. They plan on re-introducing these same bills. I don’t have to tell you what that means.

                                                          FILO
                                                          Signal Out, Can You Identify
                                                          Je ne regrette rien
                                                          In Orbe Terrum Non Visi

                                                        • #89370
                                                          Joe (G.W.N.S.)
                                                          Moderator

                                                            …what that means.

                                                            Chose wisely, just because it’s a so called Republican is not enough.

                                                            Here in Florida a Republican Governor, Senate, and House gave us that stupid 21 years old to purchase a firearm law.

                                                          • #89371
                                                            First Sergeant
                                                            Moderator

                                                              If you are a Virginian, the elections this year for State House and Senate are crucial.

                                                              I got some intel from someone that I trust completely. The D’s in Richmond are convinced that they will take over the House and Senate in this years elections. They plan on re-introducing these same bills. I don’t have to tell you what that means.

                                                              To clarify the above, there were several D members of the house discussing the upcoming elections. They basically said that they knew that the D party would take over the House and Senate in the upcoming elections and that they would be able to pass whatever they wanted.

                                                              FILO
                                                              Signal Out, Can You Identify
                                                              Je ne regrette rien
                                                              In Orbe Terrum Non Visi

                                                            • #89372
                                                              Pinky
                                                              Participant

                                                                Yes, First Sergeant, correct. This year is likely the last year of Va as we know it. The only thing I see maybe possibly happening is a case hitting the S.C., but doubtful. Contact your Sheriff where applicable, they are Constitutional officers and the correct answer will be that they won’t enforce unconstitutional laws. Join VCDL, go to Lobby Day tomorrow. Prepare accordingly.

                                                              • #89373
                                                                Pinky
                                                                Participant

                                                                  Lobby Day had about 300-400 (my best guess) people wearing the orange “Guns Save Lives” stickers. We were by far the largest group there, every floor and every hallway had people with those stickers.

                                                                  As per normal, the friendlies were friendly and the antis gave us a secretary or aide to pretend to listen.

                                                                  I found my local rep and asked him for any insight on things. He said, like the federal circus we have, the sides are as polarized as can be. No D’s would vote for pro-gun anything, and none will vote against any anti-gun bills even if they wanted to for fear of retaliation from their own side.

                                                                  I asked if anyone on the other side actually believes that the criminals will follow the proposed laws, believe they would make anyone safer, etc. “It does not matter to them” was his answer.

                                                                  Elections have consequences…IMHO Trump opening his big mouth (“take the guns, then investigate”) helped to energize the Bloomberg funded groups at the state level. If you live in VA, November will be an inflection point.

                                                                  As I was leaving, there was a group of maybe 20, at least half of which were kids dressed in animal halloween costumes, taking a picture in front of a sign that said something like “VCDL supports your kid having to participate in a school shooting evacuation drill.” I think those were the anti-gun lobbyists.

                                                                  As a side note, there was a group of chanting morons yelling about how $15 minimum wage was a “right.” I suggested to the folks I was with that we go educate them in economics, but they rightly said that probably would not be a good idea.

                                                                • #89374
                                                                  Anonymous
                                                                  Inactive

                                                                    Here in Maryland when the hammer came down we literally had so many pro-gun folks marching that the fire marshal had to stop any more people from entering the building where hearings were being held because it was a safety hazard, one of the Republican legislators told us it was the first time in Maryland’s history that had happened. Still didn’t make a difference, everybody that was Democrat voted for whatever gun control was on the table.

                                                                    I don’t know how true it is but I heard that any conservative Democrats that were wavering about signing the AWB in Maryland were threatened with fully-funded primary challengers by Bloomberg, so it ensured a party-line vote, I would expect the same tactics in Virginia.

                                                                    At this point I tolerate Republicans but Democrats are a poison.

                                                                  • #89375
                                                                    Joe (G.W.N.S.)
                                                                    Moderator

                                                                      We were by far the largest group there, every floor and every hallway had people with those stickers.

                                                                      Glad you had a good turnout, this is one of those things we have to do, even if on the surface it appears to be futile. We must utilize all avenues available regardless whether it proves affective.

                                                                      I know it will matter (even if only to me) that I have used everything within my power to peacefully prevent the violence the left is pushing on us.

                                                                      …how $15 minimum wage was a “right.”

                                                                      I think we should just raise minimum wage to $100 as this will prove in short order just how ridiculous this is!

                                                                      Once things stabilize they will be paying $65 for a fast food combo meal, $21.90 a gallon gas, and $27.90 loaf of bread. Maybe they’ll realize while sitting at unemployment office now stupid they were?

                                                                    • #89376
                                                                      trailman
                                                                      Participant

                                                                        Here in Maryland when the hammer came down we literally had so many pro-gun folks marching that the fire marshal had to stop any more people from entering the building where hearings were being held because it was a safety hazard, one of the Republican legislators told us it was the first time in Maryland’s history that had happened. Still didn’t make a difference, everybody that was Democrat voted for whatever gun control was on the table.

                                                                        I don’t know how true it is but I heard that any conservative Democrats that were wavering about signing the AWB in Maryland were threatened with fully-funded primary challengers by Bloomberg, so it ensured a party-line vote, I would expect the same tactics in Virginia.

                                                                        At this point I tolerate Republicans but Democrats are a poison.

                                                                        I’ll add in that a committee vote was rigged, I was there and saw it. It was even on video with no consequences.

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