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    • #77685
      Joe (G.W.N.S.)
      Moderator

        RATS!Your guide to protecting yourself against snitches, informers, informants, agents provocateurs, narcs, finks, and similar vermin

        By Claire Wolfe and available free in the following formats:

        Free Downloads

        Kindle (mobi)
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        (for hosting on your own site)

        Interesting take on this important subject.

      • #77686
        Anonymous
        Inactive

          Interesting…I’ll have to give this a gander sometime. Any subject matter experts here to vet the quality of the information in here?

        • #77687
          Joe (G.W.N.S.)
          Moderator

            Any subject matter experts here to vet the quality of the information in here?

            Excerpt:

            Contributors included lawyers, former cops, security specialists, political activists, members of the drug culture, business executives in “sensitive” fields, outlaw bikers, and in a couple of cases people whose identities are so deeply secret that I couldn’t credit them even if I wanted to. (To guard against the possibility of any snitch sympathizer planting misleading information, outlaws, former snitch victims, and lawyers checked the text after more “official” folk had their say. I’m relieved to state that, while many people added valuable information as the book grew, nobody in this very experienced crowd spotted anything false or suspiciously “coppish.”)

            The information is solid! :good:

          • #77688
            tango
            Participant

              Thanks for posting

            • #77689
              Anonymous
              Inactive

                I meant secondary sources, if anyone else on here or elsewhere had any firsthand familiarity with police or intelligence work and could confirm that the information was/is solid. Of course the author’s going to say it has great credentials. Just asking because it could be a legal Anarchist Cookbook, sometimes solid but a few of the recipes are off enough so you might just blow your arms off.

              • #77690
                Joe (G.W.N.S.)
                Moderator

                  I meant secondary sources, if anyone else on here or elsewhere had any firsthand familiarity with police or intelligence work and could confirm that the information was/is solid.

                  Ah…that would be me. :yes:

                  There’s a reason I spend so much time in this Information & Intelligence sub-forum. ;-)

                • #77691
                  Anonymous
                  Inactive

                    Oh okay, I didn’t know good to hear, I’ll have to upload this to my tablet or something. :good:

                  • #77692
                    Andrew
                    Participant

                      RATS..talks about the Reid Technique. I did a 2 year stint in Internal Affairs when I worked for Customs. It’s solid info.

                      You worried about something? B-) :yahoo:

                    • #77693
                      Joe (G.W.N.S.)
                      Moderator

                        You worried about something? B-) :yahoo:

                        A little caution goes a long way in todays world. ;-)

                        Any subject matter experts here to vet the quality of the information in here?

                        RATS..talks about the Reid Technique. I did a 2 year stint in Internal Affairs when I worked for Customs. It’s solid info.

                        :good:

                      • #77694
                        skeets4039
                        Participant

                          <p abp=”268″>RATS..talks about the Reid Technique. I did a 2 year stint in Internal Affairs when I worked for Customs. It’s solid info.

                          <p abp=”269″>You worried about something? B-) :yahoo:

                          It is nice to know there is another old IAD guy here. I did 38 years with my PD, a little over 13 years in IAD and around 4 1/2 years working cases with the local FBI Public Corruption Unit.

                          It was not an assignment where you made a lot of friends.

                          I haven’t read “Rats” yet but will. Thanks for posting a link.

                          Take care and stay safe.

                        • #77695
                          trailman
                          Participant

                            Anyone ever have elicitation training? I listened to a fomag podacast one it once. Sounds like it would be a useful technique in information gathering.

                          • #77696
                            Joe (G.W.N.S.)
                            Moderator

                              Anyone ever have elicitation training?

                              Elicitation and Counter-Elicitation are powerful tools, its application comes easier to some than others.

                              I’ll see what I can dig up for some basic information and references.

                              This will certainly come up again in latter studies..

                            • #77697
                              SeanT
                              Keymaster

                                Good read
                                Worth the time. Good friend who is a defense lawyer has always given me the very simple advice of ‘shut the fuck up’
                                Expect to go to jail but shut up. Answering any questions can lead to probable cause. If there is no probable cause, anything that follows can be challenged in your defense.
                                Provide your identity and shut up after you state you will not answer questions without your lawyer.
                                This was given in the context of possibly getting pulled over after you may have been drinking but the sentiment extends to other situations.

                              • #77698
                                Groundwork
                                Participant

                                  And never, ever, consent to a search of your vehicle.

                                • #77699
                                  Joe (G.W.N.S.)
                                  Moderator

                                    Given the times we’re in and what future may hold I suggest everyone get familiar with this work.

                                  • #77700
                                    zeerf
                                    Participant

                                      :good: agreed! Thanks for the reminder Joe.

                                    • #77701
                                      wheelsee
                                      Participant

                                        I’ve seen this one and show to students periodically…..

                                        VIDEO: Law Professor & Cop Agree: Never Ever Talk to the Cops, Even If You Are Innocent

                                      • #77702
                                        Joe (G.W.N.S.)
                                        Moderator

                                          Just remember this is not just applicable for in a Legal type scenario, but Counter Intelligence within your sphere of influence.

                                          Consider how non-state provocateurs are manipulating people for agendas that are counter to Rightful Liberty.

                                        • #77703
                                          Joe (G.W.N.S.)
                                          Moderator

                                            Giving our current discussion this is worth another look! B-)

                                          • #129868
                                            Joe (G.W.N.S.)
                                            Moderator

                                              Bumped, particularly for our Virginia members! B-)

                                            • #129873
                                              trailman
                                              Participant

                                                Her book “basics of resistance” is a very good read too.

                                              • #130022
                                                Max
                                                Keymaster

                                                  Been reading through this. Thanksgiving reading. It’a all non-deniable good stuff. However, big issue is if you let the paranoia overtake you, you will never have a team and you will never train to do anything.

                                                  Prime example is MVT. I often joke with guys who attend who work for .mil / . Gov in some capacity. You know, who is the DHS guy, filling in the report etc. Thing is, neither myself or MVT is really that important. Have we been monitored? No doubt. Have there been .gov type students checking us out? No doubt.

                                                  But what we do at MVT is not illegal. It is entirely lawful. There is nothing elicit going on with any activities or funds or anything. Does that mean that it wouldn’t be a win for someone to fit us up over something? Of course not. But we don’t talk that kind of shit. It’s one thing to have political opinions, another to plan some sort of action.

                                                  What I expect would happen is that MVT is simply metadata as part of the web of tracking for guys who are actually up to no good. By which I mean, tracking that they got training at MVT etc, adding that to the metadata of whatever else they are up to.

                                                  Hoewever, those who are alumni know that we are just not that kind of training center. We have intelligent professionals, current and former LEOs, military, all sorts. It’s just not that kind of place.

                                                  Rhetoric over events in VA could potentially put us back on the tracker, if it is anything more than the current LEGAL push for 2A sanctuary and being general pissed-off at potential loss of our rights. No change there. Hunter asked me to delete his post, after reflection, and I did.

                                                  Just be sensible, and don’t let paranoia interfere and make the preppers greatest challenge – both training / readiness and getting with a team – even more impossible. Part of this is standing up as Free Americans and doing what you need to do, in the knowledge that it is not unlawful and you are not going to make any stupid statements.

                                                  IF the 2A goes away in VA, then it’s a different situation, but nothing will happen without mass civil protest and large enough legal challenges.

                                                • #130027
                                                  Joe (G.W.N.S.)
                                                  Moderator

                                                    Good points Max!

                                                    This is important knowledge, but as I recently stated don’t neuter yourself!

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