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    • #144418
      DiznNC
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        In light of, or in spite of current events, I have been thinking about a few things.

        First off, I see two schools of thought concerning gun ownership, et al. The first says you should get a gun, learn how to use it, in a reasonably safe and efficient manner. The second is if you get a gun, you should endeavor not only to be as competent as possible, but to master the skill; otherwise, don’t even bother.

        Now both schools of thought have some merit, and like a lot of things, I think the truth lies somewhere in the middle. Although I would love to devote 20 hrs, and 1,000 rds a week to firearms training, reality is that ain’t happening. So I do what I can, when I can. And I accept the fact that I may be slower or not as accurate because of that. But that’s just the risk I take. The point being, you do what you can, with what you have, and drive on. Some may say well then you’re not a part of our elite little group, but whatever.

        Fuuny story, when I took the legacy Heat 1, class, I stayed over the week, patrolled the VTC every day, and then took the legacy Combat Patrol class. During the course of the week, I bumped into some of Max’s neighbors around the property. One guy asked me what the hell I was doing out there every day patrolling, so I tried to explain my thinking. He said the Marine Corps already taught us that shit (as we established we were both one of Uncle Sam’s mis-guided children). Why waste all your time still doing it. Well I guess that’s one extreme.

        I also have bumped into several folks that eat, live, and breathe this shit. I can’t even take a class with these guys because they are so far more advanced than myself; I’d just be holding up the class at every turn. There’s the other extreme.

        So what to do. Well, I think you have to find a happy medium here. I try and hit a few course each year and stay up to speed. But I also have a lot of other shit to get done. Just like most folks.

        This is the quintessential question; the balance between the citizen-soldier, who is called up in times of need, vs the professional soldier, who only exists to train. Ideally, in a truly free society, we would have no big standing army, rather a small cadre of hard-core NCO’s, and a huge pool of citizen soldiers to fill the ranks. So really you have provisions for both extremes, and everyone somewhere in between.

        But my bottom line, peeps should be armed, and train as much as possible, and accept the added risk in their lives. As opposed to living your life like it’s a giant, rubber-lined child care center.

        The other thing is this constant chatter on-line, about the government, the deep state, and the deep doo-doo. There is so much wailing and nashing of teeth. Oh Babylon and all that. I mean I get it, it went to shit on our watch. You can blame anyone/anything you want. I think it was just some serious hubris to think that what happened to every other society, wouldn’t ever happen to us. It is indeed very dis-heartening to watch, and very easy to lash out at what we see as the causes of our troubles. But as that great philosopher “Pogo” said: we have met the enemy, and he is us.

        I think it’s time to just accept the fact that this once great country is in a state of decline. That’s the long and the short of it. Plan accordingly. The historians can write all about the why’s and where-for’s at a later date.

      • #144425
        onegunshort
        Participant

          Mastery is not needed. It is a worthy goal, but most are not interested in the time, money and effort spent to achieve it.

          Kelly McCann proposed the moderately trained man concept a long time ago in the gun training world. I think it was part of his Crucible series, but I do not recall. Regardless, it is the idea of a limited core set of skills necessary to increase the odds of winning a fight. It included hand, knife and gun skills (maybe spray and baton but I do not recall). He stated it is more important for people to be able to defend the selves well with a few techniques rather than expand into a skill set that takes years to acquire.

          I tend to agree with this assessment. Look at the gun training world today. There are over 18 million carry permit holders, but possibly only 1-5% of those people attend any training beyond the state mandated concealed carry course. Very few spend even a little time on any sort of hand skills and knifing is completely neglected. Physical fitness is barely a consideration. Most of these people need to learn to run their gun, shoot on the move, learn the pre-assault indicators, practice prevention, and improve heir perception skills. They do not need room clearing skills or a sub one second draw to first shot. Those are good skills to have, but are on the path to mastery.

          Militia training is something more specialized. My attitude toward this sort of training is to train myself so I can train others. I have done the various NRA certifications, attended Appleseeds (which are great btw) and multiple carbine courses. Anyone who attends these courses should take copious notes and develop their own curriculum as an exercise. Writing my own pistol courses was challenging and running that course was rewarding and showed me my blind spots.

          Anyone seeking militia training is a rare person given society’s current attitudes. I have been called “racist” not only because I own firearms, but also because I have attended training classes. In the mindset of the average Baltimore-DC-NOVA corridor, these are the skills of racist slavers. Is it any surprise that Diz’s assessment of a declining civilization when these “liberal” (nonsensical) attitudes are taught daily to millions of children?

          But, I think much of this nonsense is burned out of people as they go through life. These liberal ideas contradict actual life events and provide no moral or psychological foundation to weather the storm. Look at Jordan Peterson’s work and success for an example of how millions of young males are seeking advice on transitioning to manhood. They are seeking out sources to learn how to avoid regressing into to the feminist-socialist movement.

          Not everyone is doing this, obviously. Certain localities, such as California’s Bay Area, SoCal, etc are sufficiently wealthy that they can continue the charade. The nonsense falls away outside the cities where life is more difficult. This is the true danger of COVID 19: it will destroy the liberal nonsense and force its adherents to work at survival.

        • #144432
          rampantraptor
          Participant

            Nice post.

            Agreeing with you guys, if you’re just so high speed that less experienced guys can’t keep up with you, congratulations, you’re little more than a well-trained porch sniper. If you get really good at the gun stuff you should still endeavor to be able to work with those less skilled than you, the best comparison I can think of is the SF guys with all the skills who still need to know how to train up and work with their Gs when the time comes. (Even the Gs themselves will often have a core of highly-trained cadres.) Even if all the Gs aren’t super high speed with enough work and motivation you can still have a highly-effective force, I’ve seen as much firsthand and it can be a beautiful thing to see, I still feel warm and bubbly thinking about it.

            Never had anyone call me a racist for being a gun guy in Baltimore but you will get odd looks if you tell folks you own an AR-15. There is definitley a stigma about being a gun owner here, I feel sketchy like I’m doing something illicit when I walk into a gun store.

            I honestly don’t understand why someone would want to stick with the square range, especially if you’ve had some tactical training. I get bored shooting a paper target at an indoor range over and over. Maryland sucks because there’s nowhere I can practice buddy bounds and whatnot.

            Not gonna lie, I still wish I had picked up more gear before this damn virus kicked off, between this, election season, and the stronger possibility Biden could win now I don’t see ammo or guns becoming any more affordable before any more bans kick in. I was pricing lowers after I got my taxes done since it was in Essex where there are a bunch of gun shops but hesitated, figuring maybe after my next paycheck. Did manage to buy some M855 and more mags than all my friends combined at least.

          • #144506
            onegunshort
            Participant

              I am loaning out mags to friends. I convinced one to buy an AR15 two weeks before this started. He actually listened and acquired a case of Federal M855, but only two 10 round mags. Good thing I came across a dozen Magpuls I stashed in the Obama years. Now I am cajoling him into building a battle belt so he can come train. HEAT 1 is the next goal B-)

            • #144526
              Max
              Keymaster

                OK, so we have a couple of you trying to reinvent the wheel here. First, we don’t do ‘militia training’ – professional infantry training. You can partake of that as much or as little as you want.

                ‘Shooting’ i.e. getting to 80-90% level is really easy. Shooting is easy. However, it is an industry that all these cool guy classes will spend forever on this and that and you can spend your whole life working on that elusive 10%.

                What is important, once you can shoot well enough (i.e run the gun in a fight) is working on the warrior mindset. That is the move and communicate part. Situational awareness. Leadership, teamwork, SUT, communication, physical and mental fitness. These are skills for life that MVT will help you develop.

                Yes you absolutely need to know how to do CQB. You need to do SUT. You need to do FoF to experience the dynamism of a simulated combat situation.

                You are only going to be able to devote part of your busy professional life to this. You are a citizen soldier with a work and home life. But it only takes a couple of classes a year and routine practise to achieve this. You need to work every day to maintain the physical fitness. Don’t overcomplicate the issue. Diz is correct in his post. SUT is the true mansport – this is the pasttime that you should be working on, not golf or whatever.

                Ask me what I am doing with Culpeper Vokunteers. Or don’t, we have gone low profile on this group now, no more fanfares on the 2A. We have a solid group of people from all walks of life who can bring both tactical and auxiliary. I am training everyone, but it is a group effort on the totality. It doesn’t take much to square people away on shooting – we are rolling out versions of the HEAT 0.5, but the standard of the ‘American Rifleman’ is atrocious. Until fixed by some simple professional training. Now housewives are rocking and rolling on the line. We are buikding a tactical squad sub group.

                The point is ego. We have come across various ‘militia’ types from surrounding areas, and there is no telling these guys anything. This is why the ‘militia’ model does not work. It is also why we have been succesful in bringing in some retired military, including GB, to form leadership and training support – because we are a sensible rational group and not a bunch of fat-ass ego driven ‘militia’ wannabees. This shit has to be serious local based Liberty-driven preparedness.

                I would be more than hapoy to discuss this model with anyone looking to build the same. One thing: this shit is fun. Real training, it builds character and is way more fun that people realize. People are having a great time, training together

              • #144531
                DiznNC
                Participant

                  I was hoping you’d weigh in here, but didn’t know how much you wanted to share about your current effort. I think this is the ultimate goal, for any of us with prior service; to disseminate this knowledge and skill to we the people. We applaud your efforts.

                  Some very good points. The whole thrust of the citizen soldier; the 90% that’s acquired fairly quickly, the elusive 10%; very apt description. I think the “D” boys really pushed this pin-point accuracy stuff, which then filtered down through the ranks. It seems every other dude is a former Sqn Sgt Maj of some sort, and they all preach the same. Which is fine; you need that stuff for high speed hostage rescue, but to Max’s point, we are citizen soldiers and have many other tasks to perform.

                  The emphasis on SUT vs pure marksmanship. This is where the path splits between MVT and practically everyone else. Once you are at a certain level of skill, you really need to learn how to do this stuff in concert with your friends and neighbors. I mean to me, that’s the whole point to this exercise. Many if not all the big name name trainers would poo-poo this back in the day; many still do today. They used to lay smoke about how you really don’t need to know this stuff; now I think it’s pretty obvious you can’t keep lucrative government training contracts unless you please the deep state.

                  And the part about past times, hobbies, etc. I agree whole-heartedly on this one. Anything you do should have some relationship to something useful. Wood working, metal working, gardening, SUT. Even as I pursued physical fitness all these years, I stayed with running, hiking, swimming as core skills that might be needed some day. I always looked upon these things as what needed to be done, but have to admit, it was fun as well.

                  And finally what Max is doing vs the typical militia colonels. Hoo Boy. All the heated rhetoric and buffoonery here. Frankly quite appalling. But, I think Max has got it right, so there’s that. I have never been more impressed with Max than at this moment. This is a true grass-roots effort, without all the drama, that’s actually doing some good. This what we were suppose to be doing all along; without all the costumes and spiffy gear; without all the ego-stroke and macho bullshit; without all the political baggage. Simply common folk, gathering together to learn how to protect out freedoms. This is the whole mission, stripped down to bare essentials. Chapeau Max!

                • #144731
                  dave37
                  Participant

                    I would be more than hapoy to discuss this model with anyone looking to build the same. One thing: this shit is fun. Real training, it builds character and is way more fun that people realize. People are having a great time, training together

                    I would love to hear more discussion on how you are doing this. Finding good people locally and motivating them to train together is always the hardest thing to do, at least for me.

                    HEAT 1 2017
                    Intro to CQB 2017
                    Texas HEAT 2 2018
                    Operation TeaSinker 2019
                    Combat Leader Course 2019
                    Team Coyote
                    Team Rekkr
                    Team Cowbell

                  • #144837
                    DiznNC
                    Participant

                      Well, yeah that is the heart of it; how do we make time for all the shit we need to be doing. There’s a fiction novel that covers this, albeit in a goofy way, but you see the difficulty in balancing all the work that needs to be done, for a small community to survive, post-apocalypse. They worked together to bring in their first crop, build housing, etc. and keep a defensive posture. It’s called “Dies the Fire” by S.M. Stirling. Now don’t say I didn’t warn you; there’s lots of goofy shit in there as well. But if you can ignore that and look at the concepts of building as small community, it’s a good read.

                      Unfortunately, I think human nature being fairly consistent for thousands of years, you’re not going to get complete buy-in from most folks until the shit hits the fan. Or at least threatens to. Look at the current sit in VA right now. Folks are finally fed up with the encroaching statists enough to come out and learn BRM. So that is a pretty good example of how things might go. When the need is truly there, they will come. Is that optimal? Of course not. Is that reality? I think so.

                      The best most of us can do is get with another buddy and train hard. Get our asses back to the VTC as often as we can. Try and add a third, and fourth, to get a 4-man team. That’s really a practical goal right now. If you have at least 4 guys that have the training, weapons, and equipment, they will form the basis of your instructor cadre when the people are motivated enough to train. They should be stocking up on parts, ammo, and supplies. Be thinking in terms of helping your friends and neighbors build/obtain their own rifles, equipment, and supplies. Each guy could conceivably be in charge of his own 12-man squad. So yeah not optimal, but doable.

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