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    • #137187
      Joe (G.W.N.S.)
      Moderator

        As someone who has attended events similar to this, including the Freedom Rally in mid 90’s with over 200,000 in attendance (not that you would know unless you were there!).

        Fortunately the internet is a mature way to disseminate information compared to back then.

        Everyone; particularly attendees, is feeling great! Motivated and ready to take on the World. ;-)

        Get ready for some disappointment, the propaganda led Socialists will pretend this never happened. If we are really lucky a few fence sitters will see the light, but don’t count on it.

        As big a deal as this may have seemed, the real battle hasn’t even begun.

        Northam and his wannabe tyrants will push to get more Bills through fast before any fence sitters get cold feet. They have to keep their momentum.

        Be ready to help those that thought Lobby Day would be a game changer. Being ignored when you had such a turnout can really be draining.

        Since you need to continue the fight within the system consider how to keep rattling the cage of your Representatives.

        Start to give thought to what you are really willing to do if these Bills become Law. Not what you type online, but what is reality.

        Once you have made that decision you can decide what is best for you and yours!

      • #137188
        winston
        Participant

          I disagree with your main premise. Will this change the current trajectory of the new Bloomberg purchased VA Legislature, No. Will they continue to force these tyrannical bulls down our throats despite today? Yes.
          However, today will have a huge impact in both this year’s presidential election AND House and Senate races in VA. Heck, the repubs may even run a candidate out two unlike this past November (idiots). It will also resenate into the next state wide election in VA including Town and Board of supervisor elections.

          My prediction: Today and the 2A Sanctuary movement will energise Libetty minded folk just as the Tea Party did a decade ago. Of course, the money sect Wil find a way to eventually kill it in the end. They always do.

          https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/08/tea-party-pacs-ideas-death-214164

        • #137189
          Joe (G.W.N.S.)
          Moderator

            My prediction: Today and the 2A Sanctuary movement will energise Libetty minded folk just as the Tea Party did a decade ago. Of course, the money sect Wil find a way to eventually kill it in the end. They always do.

            Maybe you are right. ;-)

            The problem is come July a variety of Gun Control Laws will take effect.

            This will require choices to be made by Virginians.

            What happens in those elections maybe a little late giving that fact.

          • #137190
            GreenTip
            Participant

              I agree with Joe. I am sure this was anticipated by the left and everybody who might get cold feet has been reassured or had the appropriate pressure applied. I think it will get rammed down the good peoples throat. I hope not because this template will be used state by state if successful. Better prepare for the worst and cautiously hope for the the best.

            • #137191
              winston
              Participant

                Perhaps you both miss my point. Yes, it will happen this July, and we must each decide how/if to comply (whole nother thread).

                However, Laws can be changed and/or repealed by the next or future legislatures voted in by an awake and pissed off electorate.

              • #137194
                GreenTip
                Participant

                  I understood what you were saying. But, I don’t like to hang my hat on hope of a politician doing anything that makes sense. Many people are waiting on Roe V Wade to be corrected. I would say everybody on this forum probably thinks that is BS. My local Sheriff is a real religious man. Great man and a good friend. He keeps telling me the country will turn back to god and we will find our way. I keep waiting. Hope you are right.

                • #137195
                  Joe (G.W.N.S.)
                  Moderator

                    Perhaps you both miss my point.

                    I think it is you who miss my point in starting this Thread.

                    So let me be more specific.

                    First I am not a Virginian, I am a Florida Cracker so I don’t speak for those affected by Northam’s tyrants.

                    If I was a Virginian I would need to my get act together for what is coming.

                    Hence…

                    …what you are really willing to do if these Bills become Law. Not what you type online, but what is reality.

                    Hypothetically What am I willing to do?

                    Well I could comply, which is the safest option.

                    I could hide my contraband and stay low key, mostly safe.

                    I could in the spirit of Civil Disobedience continue about my business as though these Laws don’t even exist, things are starting to get pretty dangerous.

                    I; again hypothetically, could move to Armed Civil Disobedience openly defying these unconstitutional laws, with this choice I will be confronted its only a matter of time.

                    With this last choice comes the additional decision? Will I actively resist or will I attempt to fight in the Courts.

                    Such choices and decisions are not to be taking lightly and they have no relation to the bullshit internet bravado that is so common!

                    Again…

                    …what you are really willing to do if these Bills become Law. Not what you type online, but what is reality.

                    The above needs to be addressed and only then does your somewhat optimistic hope for the future even apply, since some of the hypothetical choices preclude concern for elections.

                    YMMV B-)

                  • #137197
                    Joe (G.W.N.S.)
                    Moderator

                      To be clear the options listed are deeply personal choices and there is no wrong answer.

                      I even left out the “I don’t want to comply, but want a risk free answer…move out of Virginia!” a bit overused and each day there are fewer acceptable places to go.

                      I could hide my contraband and stay low key, mostly safe.

                      This choice is finds one with much company as it’s the choice of the majority of Californians, New Yorkers, New Jersey, Connecticut, to name a few.

                      Of course we see how much headway they have made to change their predicaments.

                      I am not looking to convince people to charge into the breach!

                      I want people to make a rational assessment and decision that is correct for themselves.

                      One based on reality and not online meme’s.

                    • #137198
                      Wysharpshooter79
                      Participant

                        The tea party was fired up in the first few years, but what killed it was that the republican party offered the leaders of so called tea party “seats at the table” or places in the republican party thereby absorbing the movement and killing it. Just because somebody has an “R” next to their name doesnt mean they have your rights as their top priority. I see this a lot here in Wyoming where democrats run as republicans and win seats in the legislature, not that there is much difference between the two. It will be up to Virginians to stand their ground, do not allow yourselves to be co-opted by offers of places or seats at any table of any party.

                      • #137201
                        Joe (G.W.N.S.)
                        Moderator

                          Few have made this realistic assessment of their individual situation.

                          Even the SHTF novels tend to put the hero in situations where there were few choices available. EMP, sudden collapse, etc…

                          How can a family man (or woman) with young children truly make the choice to take the risky options when it’s a slow decent into tyranny?

                          Who will provide for them?

                          Would your spouse support the decision or get you red flagged for suggesting such insanity?

                          As a single retired person, I can make any of my hypothetical choices!

                          I even have the choice of selling my crap and moving to one of the many beautiful low cost countries using the Resident Retirement Visa programs available. I could be sitting on a beach enjoying what’s left of my life in style. :yes:

                          Unfortunately few are in my situation.

                          For most these choices are not so easy.

                        • #137202
                          Wysharpshooter79
                          Participant

                            I guess the best thing here would be to not say anything youre not willing to back up with action. I have thought about what you are saying here Joe a while back. The point would be not to assume every situation is the same and make decisions based on the situations as they come. Dont go talking a bunch of crap and back yourself into a corner you cant get out of, especially if others are depending on you…

                          • #137203
                            billyd
                            Participant

                              Hope is not a strategy.
                              When are we finally going to wake up and stop believing in the false left/right paradigm?
                              We lost VA as we have lost many other States. A Republican legislature in the near future will not scale back any of these laws, because Republicans are an integral part of the scam. The Tea party didn’t just get absorbed, it got co-opted, in a brilliant 4th generation warfare fashion. We are playing checkers while the enemy is playing 28 D chess.

                              Carroll Quigley, a globalist insider in his book ‘Tragedy And Hope’ states: (bold emphasis is mine)

                              “The argument that the two parties should represent opposed ideals and policies, one, perhaps, of the Right and the other of the Left, is a foolish idea acceptable only to doctrinaire and academic thinkers. Instead, the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can “throw the rascals out” at any election without leading to any profound or extensive shifts in policy….Then it should be possible to replace it, every four years if necessary, by the other party which will be none of these things but will still pursue, with new vigor, approximately the same basic policies.”

                            • #137207
                              Joe (G.W.N.S.)
                              Moderator

                                There is a similar problem here…

                                When are we finally going to wake up and stop believing in the false left/right paradigm?

                                “SNAP!” (Please excuse the virtual theatrics)

                                Ok I just snapped my fingers to instantly awaken everyone from the “false left/right paradigm!” ;-)

                                Now what?

                                Everyone benefiting from this will remain involved.

                                We are going to vote our way to a new Republic!

                                No that won’t work there aren’t any candidates or infrastructure to do that.

                                So we can assemble all the newly awakened to rise up against these insiders by Revolution.

                                Then we are faced with the same problem, who is really ready to make that decision when things are relatively comfortable?

                                Again really ready, not internet meme ready.

                                I am not picking on billyd or anyone else, just the cold hard reality; as I see it, that most are quick to gloss over.

                                In theory if/when it comes to active resistance it doesn’t take anywhere near the numbers most seem to think necessary.

                                Have you made a realistic assessment of your situation and come to the conclusion you are ready for that extreme commitment?

                                Obviously rhetorical this is for your private consideration, don’t want/need answers in this thread. ;-)

                              • #137208
                                billyd
                                Participant

                                  And for the Trump cultists….Trump is ABSOLUTELY controlled opposition. If you put aside your colored lenses and ACTUALLY track his past and current behavior, not just his lip service, it becomes self evident.
                                  Trump was bailed out in the 1990s by the Rothschilds through their agent Wilbur Ross (current Commerce Secretary…lookie here!) when he was going through his Atlantic City/Taj Mahal fiascos.
                                  Hmm… so much for being an outsider not beholden to anyone.
                                  Soon after winning the election, Trump appointed every elitist globalist swamp dweller he could find in the D.C. sewers to his cabinet….drain the swamp? anyone?

                                • #137211
                                  billyd
                                  Participant

                                    Joe,
                                    IMHO we have lost the battle at the national and state level, we have to retreat and organize at the county level, we may even have lost there too! Time will tell.

                                  • #137212
                                    Joe (G.W.N.S.)
                                    Moderator

                                      And for the Trump cultists…

                                      Well I am not going to speak for everyone, but all I ever offered or predicted was Trump providing us more time to prepare!

                                      Had HRC won I believe some of us would have already been in active resistance fighting.

                                      If your assessment is accurate we’ve had more time we wouldn’t have had without Trump.

                                      If; as you say, the cultists are correct then it’s too big of a job for one man.

                                      So we find ourselves in the same boat regardless of who has the accurate assessment of Trump!

                                    • #137213
                                      Joe (G.W.N.S.)
                                      Moderator

                                        Joe,
                                        IMHO we have lost the battle at the national and state level, we have to retreat and organize at the county level, we may even have lost there too! Time will tell.

                                        Actually I believe we are waiting to see if as little as several thousand nationwide decide to take the difficult path and refuse to descend further into tyranny.

                                        No guarantees of victory, no evidence of a better tomorrow.

                                        Conversely we may get lucky with a black swan event which removes the hard decision (like in the novels)!

                                        Sadly even then we still have no guarantees of victory, no evidence of a better tomorrow.

                                        Just a chance for something better.

                                      • #137233
                                        veritas556
                                        Participant

                                          Kudos to the 20,000 folks who went out and held signs – many of them from out of state. But consider yesterdays event from a VA Democrat legislators/strategist point of view… they will see what they want to see…

                                          1. That’s about a third the number of people that sit in the seats to watch a middling VT football team.
                                          2. In the 2018 US Senate race an unknown Libertarian (Matt Waters) got 3x as many votes.
                                          3. In last year’s VA House races, write-in candidates (Mickey Mouse, etc) received 2x as many votes
                                          4. In the VA Senate races, Democrats beat all other parties by 145,000 votes.

                                          So on the doorstep of tyranny, 20,000 show up??? Yes, yes – many believed in the “death trap” thesis and stayed home. But the result is that Democrats now likely feel emboldened and certainly not threatened at the display of peaceful, law-abiding citizens on display yesterday.

                                          This is not a statement of defeatism, just reality. I know how these people think. All yesterday bought was a date with the bully behind the gym after school. Wonder who will show up then?

                                        • #137234
                                          Joe (G.W.N.S.)
                                          Moderator

                                            So on the doorstep of tyranny, 20,000 show up???

                                            It wouldn’t of mattered if more had showed up!

                                            Rallies don’t significantly changed things.

                                          • #137244
                                            gramma
                                            Participant

                                              Where Joe started, with the question of what is each of willing to DO, and what exactly makes sense to DO, in our individual situations is what I decided in 2016. I chose to dive in and work my butt off to create something that could (mostly) provide what is needed for human existence in any one of several “worst case scenarios”. Almost 4 years later, this is still VERY much a “work in progress”.

                                              NC is where VA was in 2010, maybe 2012. Kentucky is battling a gun-grabber and also following the sanctuary pattern. Which may/may not prove to be effective when push comes to shove. Hope isn’t a plan, agreed.

                                              After all the wailing and gnashing of teeth, and boastful talk the night before Lobby Day… nothing much predicted & speculated about happened. It is correct to expect at least SOME of the gun-control ideas to be passed into law. And I started thinking about what I might do, the night before it was confirmed (again) that media propaganda can make people lose their shit and decide stupid things. I don’t even live in Va. But I’m close enough; have family & friends there. I have spent much of the past 30 years living in VA. When I left NC, it was solely the politics of the state that made me declare – I’m never living there again.

                                              I do have a plan; I am building tribe – and I plan to sustain them and cooperate on development here, and we’re soon to have our first “charter” meeting. And I have plans a, b, c – and “oh shit” too. Because in the past 10 years, I’ve seen life just blow my plan all to hell… and I’ve had to adapt & adjust… and not let any of those obstacles slow me down or cause serious self-doubt.

                                              The “tribe’s” political persuasion encompasses the continuum of possibilities. But everyone likes to shoot. :yahoo: And we agree on the purpose of the location – self-sustaining survival. Mutual protection and caring. That is ENOUGH of a starting point, to begin building.

                                              Yes, lots and lots of other things come into this scenario. And it’s truly NOT for everyone. There has been a lot of discussion here lately of what the requirements for permanent residents will be. Because a lot of ideas have been fully explored, experimented with… and rejected as untenable.

                                              What works for me, isn’t going to work everyone. But there’s no reason we can’t help each other nail down this octopus of a decision, and figure out what WILL work for person a, b, c … etc.

                                              I refuse to say it’s futile, so lets not even entertain that crap. You don’t KNOW until you plan, build & try.

                                              • This reply was modified 6 months, 3 weeks ago by gramma.
                                            • #137249
                                              Rich
                                              Participant

                                                If I had to answer “now what?”, I’d say the presence of out-of-state participants who ignored the counteractive information and faced down the bogey man of mass arrests, tear gas, unduly restrictive demonstration rights, and false flags will now take their experience and this message back to their capitals, which might follow in Richmond’s footsteps. Pennsylvania and North Carolina seemed to have the most presence, and for good reason; it would likely take one more Pittsburgh active shooter to spur Harrisburg into this sort of action. I don’t think the rally had the desired effect for Richmond, and reminds me of a defensive force having to fall back to a second line at other state capitals. Maybe that’s too dramatic an analogy. Anyway, my biggest takeaways from yesterday were:

                                                a) This was the most polite and cordial crowd I have ever witnessed at a rally. I don’t think it was because of the arms and armor, but because we all shared the feeling of being a beleaguered people witnessing a nexus in history over which we have diminishing control. Even the police on duty were relaxed, helpful, and at ease. Interpret that as you will. Bottom line is that massive concentrations of guns don’t always equal violence.

                                                b) My team was up the whole night before planning routes, staging vehicles, and conducting PCC/PCIs. We expected the worst, but encountered none of it. I bet American money that most other organized groups out there did the same. That makes me feel a bit better about the citizen backbone that many would have you think is gone along with our sense of community. That said, some of these guys and gals need serious help shaking their kit down. Good on them for having spirit, but don’t wear your drop rig so low that your pistol is double-duty as your knee pad. That’s where groups like this one will shine.

                                                c) There were plenty of LGBTQ-for-2A demonstrators, and even some genuine racial diversity. That might have been a good message via the media to dispel the comparisons to Charlottesville, etc. I saw none of that in the news. What a missed opportunity.

                                                d) I saw and greeted Max there. He was the one with a beard wearing sunglasses and earth tones…

                                              • #137250
                                                Pinky
                                                Participant

                                                  my two cents – it won’t change minds, but it was a silent, reasonably well organized message indicating we won’t go quietly into the night. I am prepared for disappointment and some level of defeat, but I am also optimistic about:

                                                  1. tribe/local connections. The actions around this have forced us to find more and more local folks to connect with. I have met another 7 or 8 people in my own county that unfortunately sound exactly like me on all of the same issues! You have like minded people around you, get out of your comfort zone and find them.
                                                  2. 2A sanctuaries movement – like it or not, seeing 95% of the land mass, with their Sheriff, saying they won’t comply, sends a big message. Several were there yesterday.
                                                  3. “unorganized militia” movement as follow on to 2A sanctuaries. There were ~15K pamphlets handed out at the entrance gates where people from all over the state hopefully will take them home to their BoS (https://www.virginia113.com/). This possibly sets up some legal challenges later on to any sort of disarmament/AWB as well as sends more message to Richmond. Several counties are already in process.
                                                  4. the legal teams are now set loose. There will be some action very soon.
                                                  5 . overall awareness – the people that were there were (I hate the word) “diverse.” They were fired up and I believe we have a whole lot more advocates for the cause to spread the word.

                                                  This was the opening salvo and it will be a long battle. We are definitely NOT alone. Think how many people that chose not to go out of fear that will hear and see what happened.

                                                  As another note, per the VCDL exec team guy I know, there were many busloads of people that never made it to the grounds (stuck at the bus parking area). Estimates based on bus counts, etc are closer to 50K total there, not 22K. The 22K came from the “designated area count” only – they did not include Main St. access streets, part of 9th, etc. I can tell you we tried to cover the outside area (outer streets) and were unable to move for large portions of the morning due to the crowds. They are working on some full-picture aerial photos to share.

                                                  Now what? Keep meeting people local and forge bonds with them. Pay attention, continue to contact your reps and those that seek to violate our rights (and not just GUN rights – voter ID, abortion, etc).

                                                • #137251
                                                  Anonymous
                                                  Inactive

                                                    I thought maybe I should try to get in touch with some of y’all that were also there, I knew Max was there but probably would be annoyed by my presence 😛

                                                    Any Virginia Democrats who don’t follow party line will be primaried by Bloomberg, at most some bills will be watered down, it’s the Art of the Deal, they propose something preposterous so they can negotiate down to what they really want and tell the public they’re compromising.

                                                    The point of rallies like this is networking and public relations. The conservatives and libertarians that did show up demonstrated they weren’t white nationalists, through words and also now public images of various POC on our side. The only straws the media has been able to grasp on have been the presence of Proud Boys and scary guys in poorly-worn gear and poor weapons discipline. But we demonstrated we’re not Natzis or violent.

                                                    I was personally very encouraged to see POC especially among the younger set, even met a Black Lives Matter activist who was with us and was very friendly. Being in Maryland I have limited contact with the broader gun community, I feel a bit less nervous about Identitarian creep into our circles than I did before yesterday based on who turned out.

                                                    You guys are probably gonna be hit with universal background checks and a red flag law, haven’t heard anything about a mag ban or AWB going forward, have those died before committee or are they still pursuing it?

                                                  • #137259
                                                    Joe (G.W.N.S.)
                                                    Moderator

                                                      Excellent contribution to this discussion Gramma! :good:

                                                      Realistic assessment and putting a rational plans to work.

                                                      I don’t believe things are futile!

                                                      However I am not going spin a fairytale journey.

                                                      The best results I see within the current system is delaying the descent to tyranny. Eventually some will have to take a hard stand saying no more or accept a life under tyranny.

                                                      Virginia is at the point where there is no solution within the system to stop this further descent.

                                                      Yes there are opportunities to turn back through elections, unfortunately this can only take place after living under further tyranny.

                                                      So we’ve seen the 2nd Amendment sanctuaries formed, we’ve heard talk of NO MORE!

                                                      What remains to be truly answered is…

                                                      …what you are really willing to do if these Bills become Law.

                                                      I personally don’t care what decision you make, you have nothing to prove to me. ;-)

                                                      My hope is you take the time to rationally decide before those laws take affect and prepare.

                                                      Are Virginians different?

                                                      Or will they join the other States that have fallen before them.

                                                    • #137263
                                                      DiznNC
                                                      Participant

                                                        Good discussion folks. It’s a pleasure to discuss things in a sane rational manner.

                                                        First of all, I agree that Trump has merely delayed the slide to tyranny. So putting all that aside for now.

                                                        Secondly I think the greatest value of this rally is the networking potential amongst ourselves. Just showing up at a MVT class and seeing maybe 12 other like-minded folks is a big boost to my morale; seeing this big of a group is truly inspiring.

                                                        I think one of the biggest things they have done to us is to get us all isolated from one another. I think this has been a deliberate objective; to break up the community spirit; make us dependent upon a central government, not each other. So rallies like this are a huge step to re-connect with people, regardless of their effect on the enemy.

                                                        As to what now, well that’s the same as it always was.

                                                        Prepare.

                                                      • #137269
                                                        Joe (G.W.N.S.)
                                                        Moderator

                                                          I think the greatest value of this rally is the networking potential amongst ourselves. Just showing up at a MVT class and seeing maybe 12 other like-minded folks is a big boost to my morale; seeing this big of a group is truly inspiring.

                                                          No doubt! :good:

                                                          As someone who has participated in such rallies even decades ago, part of my intent here is to reel back expectations from those new to this fight. This is not the first time we have done this type of rally and the opponents to Freedom will not be deterred by this alone.

                                                          Be motivated, but rational.

                                                          I know many Left leaning individuals who were both surprised and encouraged by the minority presence and even the rainbow “Don’t Tread on Me!” Flag carried by LGTB.

                                                          Freedom lovers and particularly gun owners are tolerant by choice! Not by decree!

                                                          We accept those who do not demand we accept their beliefs!

                                                        • #137271
                                                          billyd
                                                          Participant

                                                            Lobbying, rallying, protesting, non-complying is still playing a defensive game, which cannot be won.
                                                            Gun grabbing politicians, gradual descent into tyranny, controlled media, academia indoctrinating our youth, manufactured changing demographics, runaway surveillance state and totalitarian government etc.. are all symptoms, the real culprit, the true source of the problem are the globalists elite themselves and their think tanks, wherever they reside in the world. Thankfully, their numbers a few even when you factor in their jackbooted badged pretorian guard.

                                                          • #137276
                                                            Joe (G.W.N.S.)
                                                            Moderator

                                                              …is still playing a defensive game, which cannot be won.

                                                              Consider…

                                                              I; again hypothetically, could move to Armed Civil Disobedience openly defying these unconstitutional laws, with this choice I will be confronted its only a matter of time.

                                                              With this last choice comes the additional decision? Will I actively resist or will I attempt to fight in the Courts.

                                                              Above is not defensive!

                                                              In a perfect a World Virginia would back down, but I consider that unlikely.

                                                              It’s really about picking a fight, whether legally or physically is up to the individual’s choice.

                                                            • #137296
                                                              gatlinggun
                                                              Participant

                                                                I would advise extreme caution picking a fight legally.

                                                                I remember attending Common Law meetings in Ohio back in the 90s. A gentleman made a comment I’ve never forgotten. He said “All of the legal arguments that can be argued with regards to the income tax have been argued in a court of law”.

                                                                He went on to say that the tactic the government used was to drag out the trial as long as it took to bankrupt the defendant. They got their conviction and all had a round of beers afterward.

                                                                All of the arguments that can be argued for the 2A have already been argued. They are ignoring us.

                                                                As happened in the run-up to the American Revolution, we have petitioned the government for redress of grievences time and time and time again. We have entered their courts and argued and argued. Not just on the 2A, but on the income tax, the property tax, licensing, and almost every other form of tyranny. Too no avail.

                                                                The courts have been co-opted by the Statists as a tool of their own agenda.

                                                                We are being ignored, our rallies and protests are ignored, and our arguments in their courts are ignored.

                                                                There is no recourse to be had in the court system.

                                                                IMO there is but one option left. I will not presume to tell anyone how to do that.

                                                                If you are independently wealthy and want to take up the cause in their courts go for it. But be advised that it has already been done and ignored.

                                                              • #137297
                                                                Joe (G.W.N.S.)
                                                                Moderator

                                                                  It’s really about picking a fight, whether legally or physically is up to the individual’s choice.

                                                                  Either option is not for the ill prepared or faint of heart.

                                                                  If you are independently wealthy and want to take up the cause in their courts go for it.

                                                                  Even in that case if they get creative with some of the RICO laws you may find your money untouchable.

                                                                  Unfortunately that is not farfetched.

                                                                • #137335
                                                                  gramma
                                                                  Participant

                                                                    Maybe I’m just a grumpy old lady, but ya know? I don’t have to play by their rules. I CAN make up my own rules… because theirs are like swiss cheese. Lots of holes. In their favor mostly. What’s up with that? Don’t holes have two sides?

                                                                    Just don’t give up; keep looking for ways to put them on the back foot. Even when it looks like they’re steam rolling you… you don’t have to accept that crap. Slide out, lay low, and come back to fight another day. You know what they say about opportunity – or has that nugget of knowledge been eliminated from the common core curriculum?

                                                                  • #137436
                                                                    Max
                                                                    Keymaster

                                                                      Good discussion chaps.

                                                                      So what next? A lot of people are congratulating themselves on the victory of a peaceful lobby day where no-one died and people picked up the litter after. Way to be tidy, Patriots! It had to be done, and I was only there because despite my risk assessment that it may go hot, I had to be there after Northam declared his state of emergency. Because fuck him.

                                                                      I have calmed my panties over some off the militia types, even though most of them are a cluster. We need more of that. Preferably trained and fit, but that opens up a whole can of worms that I can’t get into here.

                                                                      I am looking at a couple of things:

                                                                      1) County Ordinances. Push for more than a resolution, and get actual 2A protection laws in place. Fuck Dillon Rule.

                                                                      2) Another rally of some kind in some place, before July 1st. This one likely to be in full kit as a measure of escalation.

                                                                      3) Some action of defiance after July 1st. Full kit event – whether that be a rally or a march or whatever. At which time we will be in the game zone.

                                                                      Time to put up or shut up Patriots. Northam: bring it you tyrannous cunt.

                                                                      FBI and VSP: fuck you too. Remember your oath, jackboots.

                                                                      :yahoo:

                                                                    • #137441
                                                                      Joe (G.W.N.S.)
                                                                      Moderator

                                                                        Since you need to continue the fight within the system consider how to keep rattling the cage of your Representatives.

                                                                        1) County Ordinances. Push for more than a resolution, and get actual 2A protection laws in place. Fuck Dillon Rule.

                                                                        2) Another rally of some kind in some place, before July 1st. This one likely to be in full kit as a measure of escalation.

                                                                        Start to give thought to what you are really willing to do if these Bills become Law. Not what you type online, but what is reality.

                                                                        Once you have made that decision you can decide what is best for you and yours!

                                                                        3) Some action of defiance after July 1st. Full kit event – whether that be a rally or a march or whatever. At which time we will be in the game zone.

                                                                        Exactly! :yes:

                                                                      • #137448
                                                                        Spencer
                                                                        Participant

                                                                          Time to put up or shut up Patriots. Northam: bring it you tyrannous cunt.

                                                                          FBI and VSP: fuck you too. Remember your oath, jackboots.

                                                                          Stronger message to follow… ;-)

                                                                          DCH 10/2019
                                                                          H.E.A.T. 1 12/2019

                                                                        • #137483
                                                                          Short Stroke
                                                                          Participant

                                                                            Good ideas, Max.

                                                                            Also – Virginia will need more sons. All you basement dwellers out there need to stop whacking off to videos of runaways getting plowed for drug money. Find your wife, or get a wife, and do your duty!

                                                                          • #137573
                                                                            vagabond
                                                                            Participant

                                                                              As for what to do next, Kurt Schlicter wrote some good stuff today in town hall; the summary is basically to mock and ridicule, vote where possible, ditto on fighting in court, and finally civil disobedience.

                                                                              The key premise is that ‘they’ have NO moral authority other than what ‘they’ have simply appropriated unto themselves.

                                                                              I’d like to see a state tax revolt, a simple ‘Ghandi like’ NO, we aren’t paying. IF it were possible to organize.

                                                                              Link to article: https://townhall.com/columnists/kurtschlichter/2020/01/23/peaceful-insurgency-tips-for-virginian-patriots-n2559903

                                                                            • #137576
                                                                              Spencer
                                                                              Participant

                                                                                Great article. It took me a moment to assimilate “Governor Jolson Klanrobe,” but it was worth it… :good:

                                                                                DCH 10/2019
                                                                                H.E.A.T. 1 12/2019

                                                                              • #138017
                                                                                kjv1611rh
                                                                                Participant

                                                                                  I spent majority of my adult life overseas with the military and contractor supporting multiple units. However, I occasionally would go hunting and would use my brothers guns, yada, yada but when they started passing these laws I knew what I had to do. I lost a lot of buddies in Afghanistan and Iraq and the reality of what is going on here made me go out get some tools. I am a vet, but not a combat vet and never had that experience but I will not allow my family and future generations to be trampled on. Ironically, I was on the way to move back to Vicenza to support the Army again but due to family emergencies I decided to stay here, even knowing what we will be facing. I love VA, its a beautiful state, clean and this governor is ruining it. I am proud of Culpeper and proud to be a resident and how the town is coming together. We must remain vigilant.

                                                                                  I am not moving and I am proud of Virginia for standing up. It could go bad, but we have to trust that the Lord is on our side. If it goes bad, it does and we got to do what we got to do.

                                                                                  I am dumbfounded that this guy did not think this through though. Virginian’s are not New Yorkers, I do not think people will just roll over.

                                                                                • #147981
                                                                                  chant8tones
                                                                                  Participant

                                                                                    An article in the June issue of Chronicles about what’s going on in Virginia.

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