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    • #89470
      Pinky
      Participant

        the day has come; special session. 50 anti-gun bills on the table (same as those proposed and defeated in January) and apparently a few GOP members “working” with Red Ralph. It only takes 1 or 2 defectors in either chamber and these things will pass. Some examples:

        1. red flag law
        2. removal of preemption (i.e. each locality will be able to enact it’s own restrictions on firearms. today they cannot do more than the state laws).
        3. The enchilada: http://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/legp604.exe?192 ful HB4021 (Ban on anything that takes mags >10 rounds, semi-auto, suppressors). Felony possession after July 1, 2020.
        a. “Any person who legally owns an assault firearm, as defined in § 18.2-308.8; large-capacity firearm magazine, as defined in § 18.2-308.9; silencer, as defined in § 18.2-308.10; or trigger activator, as defined in § 18.2-308.11, on November 1, 2019, may retain possession of such assault firearm, large-capacity firearm magazine, silencer, or trigger activator until July 1, 2020. During this time period, such person shall (i) render the assault firearm, large-capacity firearm magazine, silencer, or trigger activator permanently inoperable; (ii) remove the assault firearm, large-capacity firearm magazine, silencer, or trigger activator from the Commonwealth; (iii) transfer the assault firearm, large-capacity firearm magazine, silencer, or trigger activator to a person outside the Commonwealth who is not prohibited from possessing the assault firearm, large-capacity firearm magazine, silencer, or trigger activator; or (iv) surrender the assault firearm, large-capacity firearm magazine, silencer, or trigger activator to a state or local law-enforcement agency.”

      • #89471
        trailman
        Participant

          Most of that will not pass court muster. BUT, they don’t care. to quote a line from an old novel it’s like littering, they pass this crap and we spends years trying to clean it up. The retroactive criminalization won’t fly. At least your guys don’t do the misdemeanor trick they do here in MD.

        • #89473
          Pinky
          Participant

            that is just part of it. it is ALL on the table (everything banned, felony charges for possession, red flag laws, felony for having loaded firearm not in safe with anyone under 18 in your home, mag bans, etc.)

            it is the Full Monty of gun control. removal of preemption will be a disaster. that lets each county/city make their own gun laws without being limited to what the state says. Imagine what the communist enclaves up north in VA will do. how about driving around the state? That will have to be with your revolver or 1911 I guess (10 rounds or less!), or hell, maybe those will be made illegal too.

            I don’t see compliance being very high on any of this BS.

          • #89474
            Anonymous
            Inactive

              Don’t get cocky and say it won’t pass, we thought we were somewhat safe in Maryland too until O’Malley decided he wanted to run for president someday. All of these laws have passed elsewhere without the courts taking them down, most folks don’t have our idea of what is Constitutional.

              A buddy of mine told me a while back that I should move to VA because the gun laws are better, I told him NoVA was going to fuck the whole state over by the end of it.

              Good luck down there.

            • #89475
              Max
              Keymaster

                It’s on boys, Boogaloo time! June 1st 2020, assuming these bills pass! Line in the sand. Form up, the Army of Northern Virginia will be marching on Richmond!

                America: man or mouse, Liberty or Tyranny?

                ***Disclaimer: none of these statements shall be intended, or taken as, anything other than a humorous commentary, and there is no plan for a column forming up on June 1st 2020. This statement is for the benefit if YOU. Yes YOU, you snooping analyst bootlicking piece of shit. B-) ****

                Unless of course the laws pass and we have to form up anyway….. :yahoo: :yahoo: :yahoo:

              • #89476
                Joe (G.W.N.S.)
                Moderator

                  Max, maybe you can start a weapons storage business at VTC. ;-)

                • #89477
                  Max
                  Keymaster

                    Max, maybe you can start a weapons storage business at VTC. ;-)

                    Really? I mean, REALLY?

                    :wacko:

                  • #89478
                    Joe (G.W.N.S.)
                    Moderator

                      Got to lighten the mood somehow!

                      You guys got some serious work to get done!

                      I don’t know if Virginians have enough political power to prevent this.

                      So big choices to make…

                      It really comes down to three individual choices.

                      Comply (to include moving, though one day you’ll run out of places), ignore and hide, ignore and get in their face!

                      Choose, but choose wisely in acceptance of the consequences. B-)

                      Whether you guys prevent it or deal with it the rest of us will be watching closely.

                    • #89479
                      First Sergeant
                      Moderator

                        And it was over before it began.

                        Both houses voted to adjourn the session and they all went home with no bills being discussed.

                        They are supposed to reconvene in November after the elections.

                        FILO
                        Signal Out, Can You Identify
                        Je ne regrette rien
                        In Orbe Terrum Non Visi

                      • #89480
                        Joe (G.W.N.S.)
                        Moderator

                          And it was over before it began.

                          Well that’s great news!

                          I guess some practical heads prevailed, I think they could have gotten it through, but the price would have been very costly.

                        • #89481
                          Max
                          Keymaster

                            Ugggh. How boring.

                            B-)

                          • #89482
                            Pinky
                            Participant

                              they kicked the can down the road. The good news (if there is any), is that this forced a LOT of people on the arfcom forum to realize “oh crap, I have to figure out just where my line in the sand is!”

                              the bad news is that this only postponed it. November brings us what appears to be the inevitable; a total communist takeover from the north (NoVA), with support from inner cities and few college towns. I simply think we are now outnumbered, primarily by NoVA.

                              Combine that with redistricting (i.e. “the districts are racist!), and VA is lost in November. They succeeded in getting large sections of leftist-voting areas lumped into traditionally Republican districts due to a law suit. I kid you not, a college profession from California drew the new districts with an estimated impact of D 6 or 7 pickups in 2019. This also happened to District 7 for the federal HoR election in 2018; Dave Bratt won handily the session prior and due to the addition of Henrico county and parts of Chesterfield (leftist voting areas), we now have Abigail “I was in the CIA and carried a gun” Spanberger who has voted down the line with Pelosi on climate change, take the guns, trans/LGBTQwhatever rights stuff, etc.

                              I never will admit defeat. VCDL has done tons in VA to fight this mess. If you are in Virginia, stop with the “i need to move” as this crap is coming to ALL states, one at a time. Get involved; Lobby Day is every January. Buy a membership, donate, donate your time, spread the word, get other people signed up. This is NOT going away.

                              If anyone bothered to read the proposed confiscation bill, some highlights:

                              1. no grandfathering. you are a felon if you keep semi-autos capable of taking more than 10 round mags beyond whatever date they say.
                              2. they structured the bill to impact just about every modern semi-auto pistol or rifle (save for maybe 1911’s and M&P Shields and a few others).
                              3. they are getting smarter and more devious:
                              a. they made it so it did NOT impact deer rifles and shotguns (the “Fudd” guns). Therefore JimBob and Darryl and his other brother Darryl will say “I don’t care, this don’t impact me.”
                              b. most everything is a Class 6 Felony, the lowest level felony in Virginia. According to legal minds, this was done to reduce “standing” and the possibility of lawsuits against the law itself (and apparently a good way to do it, unfortunately).

                              In addition to THAT bill, they have a red flag law, removal or pre-emption, etc. This would make Virginia WORSE than CA, NY, CT, NJ, etc. And, it is possible in a SINGLE SESSION in January of 2020 if the election goes as anticipated. The attached picture is an example of what the Democrats are thinking in case you have any doubts. Prepare accordingly.

                            • #89483
                              First Sergeant
                              Moderator

                                @Pinky, I agree. We will have to see how this plays out.

                                FILO
                                Signal Out, Can You Identify
                                Je ne regrette rien
                                In Orbe Terrum Non Visi

                              • #89484
                                gramma
                                Participant

                                  Being in a neighboring state, I watched this with great concern. For the moment, there isn’t an active threat here. But how long would that last given the mutual cooperation between neighboring states?

                                  Next question: what are the possible options for leverage within the state politics? Actual influence? What do they care about enough to respect the will of their consituents?

                                • #89485
                                  Pinky
                                  Participant

                                    unfortunately, the “constituents” are now made up of transplants (thanks, GHW Bush for the Patriot Act) that are either sucking on the .gov tit and will vote for bigger and bigger .gov (i.e. democrats) or foreign invaders that fled their tyranny, only to vote for more of the same here.

                                    I think we are outnumbered now in VA, mostly NoVA, Richmond, inner-cities, and some college towns.

                                    it sucks

                                  • #115874
                                    Pinky
                                    Participant

                                      For anyone looking today: https://virginiageneralassembly.gov/house/chamber/chamberstream.php

                                      Live stream of the Crime Commission that is reviewing the gun-grabber bills proposed by the socialists that call themselves democrats in Virginia.

                                      Thus far, the first hour has been Brady Campaign, Giffords lady, newport news sheriff that is all for gun bans, some other lady that read stories about people getting shot. I have not, as of now (12:45PM), heard one speaker say anything other than “you have to take the assault rifles and big clips.”

                                      I am hoping those there with a brain will start speaking.

                                    • #115905
                                      trailman
                                      Participant

                                        Got to love the misinformation these people have

                                        https://fee.org/articles/the-argument-beneath-the-surface-of-gun-control/

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