Inside an Ambush – Ukraine

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    • #110069
      tango
      Participant

        Caution: Graphic.

        Looks like 8 Pro-Ukrainian militia fighters are walking down a street flanked by trees somewhere in war-torn Eastern Ukraine when they are fired upon. Lots of confusion, what appears to be very little training, and lots of casualties. We do not see their assailants.

        Breakdown:
        0:00 Video starts and the guys are under fire.
        0:00 – 0:30 By 0:20 the fire is heavy, small arms only. They’re either calm or terrified, but definitely confused. RTR goes out to both sides of the road, camera man almost shoots his buddies in the shuffle. Casualty #1 goes down at 0:21. Casualty #2 as the furthest man out keeps walking out further rather than taking cover. As one of the guys tries to tell him to get down he takes incoming rounds.
        0:30-1:00 Maybe they were patrolling to rendezous with someone because this guy in the ditch on the left side of the road starts waving the team over. It appears most of the guys move left off the road and into cover. Cameraman sits in the road behind some blown out concrete blocks. The fire lulls.
        1:00-1:30 A tank is rolling down the road from rear to front and 3 guys who were taking cover in the ditch walk along the road behind it. The 3 guys then all stop together behind another group of blown out concrete blocks in the middle of the road ahead of our cameraman and set their sights to the right side of the road. No evidence of covering fire.
        1:30-2:00 Whoever their attackers are has the fix on the 3 guys ahead. All 3 get lit up almost simultaneously, each taking multiple rounds.
        2:00-2:30 Slow-mo and the wounded attempting to move. 5 total are now down.
        2:30-2:45 Cameraman is now panicking a bit. He’s on the wrong side of his cover, over half his team is gone, and he’s out in the open. Time to GTFO, he starts crawling backwards.
        2:48 Cameraman gets up and starts to retreat. We see his comrade lifeless on the ground. The 1 remaining member of the team is not seen.
        2:53-2:56 Cameraman boogies down the road.

        Big things that jump out right away:
        – Zero communication by the Ukrainians. Did anyone say anything?
        – Pause the video at 0:14. No SOPs, no buddies, no cover, full chaos.
        – Hip shots galore. They didn’t even try and aim their rifles.
        – It’s tough to tell if this was really a proper ambush since the video starts with the guys already under fire. It’s possible they were advancing into a known hot zone and the enemy already had eyes on the road.
        – No RPGs, mortars, grenades, or other additional devices. All small arms.
        – Seems like the enemy is very close. Their rifle noises are loud and there is almost zero delay in rifle report to round impact. Brutal.
        – Whoever is firing at them has at least some training. Machine gun is trained on the open area up the road (possibly one of the flank ends of the assailants line) firing controlled bursts. Incoming rounds are accurate.

        Successful engagement by the attackers. My Russian language skills are nonexistent but the poster has a Russian flag for an avatar, so this could be captured footage off the fleeing cameraman.

      • #110070
        JohnnyMac
        Participant

          Ouch!

          But good find Tango! :good:

        • #110071
          Robert
          Participant

            Hard to figure out WTF was going on there huh?

            So initial contact was to the left side of the road? Then later the cameraman and one of the other guys start firing to the left and it would appear one of the guys that got clipped went down from a shot from the right side of the road?

          • #110072
            Virgil Kane
            Participant

              I don’t know shit, but I can see that what they were doing was not good.

              What should a well trained group do in that situation?

            • #110073
              Mike Q
              Participant

                When I first watched this ambush start the first thing which came to mind was “GET OFF THE DAMN ROAD!”

                They did not get off the X. Why didn’t the team push down into the wood line and try and get both, eyes on the enemy and, turn the flank on the ambush team? Staying in one spot killed those guys. MOVE!

                It was clear they did not know where the fire was coming from at the beginning of the ambush. When the tank came through and ambush machine gun opened up, it was clear fire was coming from the right side of the road.

              • #110074
                Joe (G.W.N.S.)
                Moderator

                  It’s difficult to understand exactly what is depicted in this video.

                  The two guys crouching to left of concrete have a round pass left to right just before they drop.

                  The guy looking right behind concrete.

                  Initial round impacts on concrete from left with visible plum pf concrete dust, there is at least one shooter engaging him from the left.

                • #110075
                  tango
                  Participant

                    At this point I would refer to Cadre (@maxvelocity @firstsergeant) to analyze what they did wrong.

                    No doubt about it though this was chaotic.

                  • #110076
                    JustARandomGuy
                    Participant

                      The fire is coming from the top-left- look where the dust is kicking up.
                      Maybe a building over there? Looks like some sort of entrance through the guardrail along the road once they get far enough ahead.

                      Seems like a single MG. There’s not enough incoming fire to be what I’ve been led to understand would be an “ambush weight” of fire.
                      So it’s either just one or two fellows (maybe an OP/scout/early warning position?) OR the cutoff team jumped the gun and opened up on the first people they saw before waiting for the patrol to get fully in the KZ?
                      Or, perhaps it was just a harassing ambush to specifically target the foot troops if they (ambushers) don’t have any anti-armor?
                      :unsure:

                      What’s going on with that tank just rolling through…. that’s beyond my knowledge grade.
                      But it seems to me that there was no communication with it, or the operators of it are clueless. I mean, maybe at least put some co-ax fire onto suspected ambush positions? But then I guess that would require comms with the tank… :unsure:

                      So, that’s my $.02 worth of guesses.

                    • #110077
                      First Sergeant
                      Moderator

                        This was not an ambush. It was a movement to contact by the guys who got whacked.

                        -No plan
                        -No communication between them or with the tank
                        -No situational awareness

                        All we can go of is the video. We have no idea what they were supposed to be doing.

                        They had no idea what to do once they took contact. No one really found cover except the guys in the ditch and they should have stayed there. Instead they got up and started using the tank for cover. Didn’t work out to well.

                        Lack of communication doesn’t really come into play as they had no idea what to do. If they could have talked to the guys in the tank, it could have shut this done real quick. Doesn’t look like the tank crew even knew they were under fire. They just kept rolling.

                        For whatever reason it doesn’t look like they could ID where the rounds were coming from.

                        People tend to think that whenever you come under fire it is an ambush. It isn’t. Just like when one round goes off and a guy gets hit they think it is a sniper.

                        An ambush is a deliberate tactic. This wasn’t. They just ran into some guys and took fire. Effective fire. Sound is crappy so I can only ID AK-74’s being fired.

                        No doubt about it though this was chaotic.

                        Chaotic? Welcome to the reality of combat. This shows just how bad it can be with untrained people. But you will never convince the idiots who think they can take on a bunch of people by themselves.

                        FILO
                        Signal Out, Can You Identify
                        Je ne regrette rien
                        In Orbe Terrum Non Visi

                      • #110078
                        tango
                        Participant

                          – It’s tough to tell if this was really a proper ambush since the video starts with the guys already under fire. It’s possible they were advancing into a known hot zone and the enemy already had eyes on the road.

                          This was not an ambush. It was a movement to contact by the guys who got whacked.
                          ——–
                          Chaotic? Welcome to the reality of combat. This shows just how bad it can be with untrained people. But you will never convince the idiots who think they can take on a bunch of people by themselves.

                          Roger that. Thank you for your analysis.

                          There you have it gentlemen.

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