How NOT to dismount under fire?

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    • #97984
      Eric
      Participant

        http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=632_1283433737

        Somebody help me out here, and crtique, and correct these guy’s tactics. One of these guys is an “operator” according to the video, but there are some glaring mistakes. I have never practiced anything like this, we are planning on it this weekend. I found this video searching for the proper way to dismount under fire. When I watch it, I see a few of, what I believe, are total screw ups. In order.

        1. The guy in the passenger side gets out of the vehicle in the direction the fire is coming from, runs out in the open, and engages multiple targets with no supporting fire.

        2. Dude on the passenger side is on the X, reloading while his buddy is moving into a support position, leaving both of them exposed.

        3. When they do finally get to cover, neither of them use the cover worth a damn. They both come completely out from behind cover to shoot, still standing.

        4. The dude that came out of the passenger side of the truck reloaded right out in the open, again, on the x.

        Look forward to everyone’s input.

      • #97985
        tango
        Participant

          The whole thing seems hokey to me. Adding to your comments:

          The drill starts and they somehow find themselves nearly surrounded by OPFOR within 15-50yds and little to no cover in sight? Even if we call it a great ambush by the OPFOR, if you drove yourself and your buddy into that scenario in the first place…

        • #97986
          Max
          Keymaster

            1) On which side to exit… Yes the conventional wisdom in the tactical theory arena is that you never get out on the side of the vehicle that is taking fire. That is how most GWOT era warriors are trained. Much like the still vaunted “breach, bang, clear” sprint through the fatal funnel BS, This isn’t all that practical in real life.

            It is absolutely vital to get out of that vulnerable position any way you can, and get to cover FAST. If climbing over the center console and getting your gear hung up is going to hold you in the cab longer than just going out the door, your wrong. Especially with soft skinned vics.

          • #97987
            Max
            Keymaster

              Really? We are putting this video on MAX VELOCITY TACTICAL?

              Try these:

              https://youtu.be/Hv6XSAmT68A

              https://youtu.be/FFS6l_-Tqw4

              https://youtu.be/SRaXLSWGT9o

              Note: maximum potential cover of the vehicles is not being used, due to considerations for the private vehicles used.

            • #97988
              Eric
              Participant

                Well, you may have noticed that I titled the thread how NOT to dismount under fire?

                Thanks for the links by the way, that is what I was looking for.

              • #97989
                Max
                Keymaster

                  The answers can be found here, they really can. Don’t let the tacticool interference confuse the message!

                  The drills are explained in detail in Contact.

                • #97990
                  tango
                  Participant

                    Try these:

                    https://youtu.be/Hv6XSAmT68A

                    https://youtu.be/FFS6l_-Tqw4

                    https://youtu.be/SRaXLSWGT9o

                    Note: maximum potential cover of the vehicles is not being used, due to considerations for the private vehicles used.

                    Now that looks like a lot of fun!

                  • #97991
                    LittleBigBill
                    Participant

                      Although I live in Texas, I’ve yet to be able to make one of these trainings. I look forward to doing it sometime in the future, but one area of training that are often be overlooked is convoy training. I have searched Internet for similar classes but they are few and far between.
                      Due to my corporate vacation scheduling, I have to choose my weeks off in April for the whole next year starting in June. That makes it extremely difficult to sign up for classes that are yet scheduled. Rearranging my time off is all but impossible once my weeks off are scheduled. So one question I have for you Max, can you pull out your crystal ball and give me an idea of which weeks will be the Texas training for next February? While you’re at it can you look at your crystal ball and give me the next Powerball winning numbers? (Ha)

                    • #97992
                      Corvette
                      Participant

                        Here is video from a recent ambush in Mexico.

                        It sounds like the four that remained in the vehicle died, while the one that is seen getting out of the vehicle lived.

                        So easy to freeze inside the vehicle where our brain thinks we are safe.

                        Wrong!

                        To overcome this freeze, we recently did several hours of react to contact, live fire drills, starting inside a vehicle.

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