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    • #148251
      Joe (G.W.N.S.)
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        Would you rather fight a Socialist Insurgency with the Government or be part of a Insurgency fighting a Socialist Government?

      • #148257
        Joe (G.W.N.S.)
        Moderator

          Related…

          Obviously we do not have a real choice in the matter.

          Before you let the Socialists and/or Fearmongering tinfoil Right define the narrative, think the situation through.

          Obviously the Socialists don’t want Antifa stopped.

          Fearmongering tinfoil wearers see a police state behind every bush or National Guard movement.

          Do you really believe the Socialists will stop if they take control of Government?

          So again…

          Fight a Socialist Insurgency or be part of a Insurgency against Socialism?

        • #148288
          Robert Henry
          Participant

            Crappy choice either way LOL but I guess fighting a socialist insurgency in concert with the gubmint would be better than fighting an insurgency against a socialist gubmint.

            But I think you would always have a lingering fear in the back of your mind that you would be brushed aside asap ala the SA, the VC, the Meneshiviks etc. The enemy of my enemy TODAY is not always a friend tomorrow. And unfortunately it’s that paranoia coupled with a dose of real world history that would present a problem.

            Now if Trump said “I hereby give a blanket pardon to all red blooded American Patriots to quell this communist revolt by all means necessary” then the big igloo is set. LOL.

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          • #148291
            Joe (G.W.N.S.)
            Moderator

              But I think you would always have a lingering fear in the back of your mind that you would be brushed aside…

              Unless your a LEO, Military, or a posse/defense force you won’t be fighting beyond defensive actions.

              Consider the Thread Many misconceptions regarding a Socialist Insurgency. from March 2017.

              We are potentially looking at a escalation of violence by Socialist Radicals.

              This could take many forms to include general rioting, bombings (from buildings to roadside), assassinations, targeting of vocal opponents and their families, and other basic terrorist activities.

              One of the goals will be to get Government to overreact and piss us off, possibly by limiting our Freedoms.

              Even if all of the above were taking place, you will still be paying bills, going to work, and all of your normal day to day activities. Yes you could find yourself defending against such attacks, but you will not be independently waging War against them.

              If things got bad enough, some smaller areas could see Posses or Defense Forces.

              For the most part life will remain as it is now.

              You could even be working with someone who is part of this insurgency from Auxiliary to active Terrorists.

              How likely this possible insurgency may actually happen is yet to be seen.

              If the Government goes tyrannical during or after I don’t see it making any difference compared to waiting for the Socialists to gain power and focus full attention and force on us.

            • #152126
              Joe (G.W.N.S.)
              Moderator

                As we see hints of the Useful Idiots (Antifa/BLM) turning on their lower level “Political Betters” (Socialist Mayors/Govenors).

                I can’t help but consider if it’s possible to exploit that trend?

                Encourage infighting etc…

              • #152146
                wildbill
                Participant

                  Thinking about your question the question that keeps coming up in my mind is fighting with “government” but are we talking national, state or local. What if you are fighting with national but state and or local is supportive of the socialist ala Portland Oregon?

                  It would be easier with government support if for no other reason than logistics but then again in the end will you be disposed of to settle the conflict without your input.

                  Just thinking either way fighting “a Socialist Insurgency with the Government or be part of a Insurgency fighting a Socialist Government” I’m thinking depending on the area of the country it could be the same thing.
                  Then my question becomes will we be fighting a Civil War for the control of the “national government” or are we fighting a Secession/Independence War?

                  As I see it, we have two distinct groups, one who wants to just be left alone to live their lives and one that wants to control and impose their ideas on everyone – I see no middle ground. So, if the “we want to be left alone group” wants to “win a Civil War” and be able to live their lives without the socialist busybodies constantly tormenting them it will require killing on a scale far exceeding the first “Civil War”.

                  Then again, I see “separation” as just a postponing the inevitable conflict since the “socialist busybodies” will never be happy until they have complete control of everyone.

                  Looking at what is going on around the country does anyone see this ending without blood in the streets because from what I see it’s either bend the knee or fight because it is coming.

                • #152148
                  Tony S
                  Participant

                    As I see it, we have two distinct groups, one who wants to just be left alone to live their lives and one that wants to control and impose their ideas on everyone – I see no middle ground. So, if the “we want to be left alone group” wants to “win a Civil War” and be able to live their lives without the socialist busybodies constantly tormenting them it will require killing on a scale far exceeding the first “Civil War”.

                    I think you basically just channeled Oliver Wendell Holmes’ famous quote:
                    “Between two groups of people who want to make inconsistent kinds of worlds, I see no remedy but force.”

                    And I think you’re right, for whatever my opinion on the topic is worth.

                  • #152149
                    Joe (G.W.N.S.)
                    Moderator

                      I have never thought this could end without a fight and I have been consistent in this since Forums beginning back in 2014.

                      It’s a matter of scale and no Civil Wars are nice, they represent the most brutal fights that have ever occured.

                      Would Socialist/Marxist State and Local Governments be openly in rebellion or covertly complicit?

                      Will those same Socialist/Marxist elements within Federal Government be a monkey wrench in the machine or try to pull some “Tet” like offensive from within?

                      Only time will tell with much overlap among possibilities.

                      How much loss of infrastructure is possible before things lose cohesiveness?

                      Some areas may hold things together more than other areas.

                      Certainly if you live in a Socialist/Marxist Stronghold your life will be far more interesting than those of us in other areas, particularly rural areas that have history of self-suficiency.

                      I could see some States relatively untouched, with others true battlegeounds.

                      Even States that can hold together will be affected by their ability to logistically support their populations or encourage population self-suficiency.

                      Will another “black swann” event change dynamics before things get settled?

                      Lots of intangibles and the only constant is be prepared as you can, to include training.

                    • #152158
                      wildbill
                      Participant

                        Would Socialist/Marxist State and Local Governments be openly in rebellion or covertly complicit?

                        At the moment complicit but at the present pace and if Trump is re-elected in a hotly contested election (Biden taking popular vote Trump taking electoral college) then I could see some being in virtual rebellion.

                        Will those same Socialist/Marxist elements within Federal Government be a monkey wrench in the machine or try to pull some “Tet” like offensive from within

                        Maybe more monkey wrench they have had almost four years of practice with Russian Collusion and Impeachment.

                        I could see some States relatively untouched, with others true battlegeounds.

                        Per the other thread I think this will be more rural/suburban vs. urban a good example being Virginia with the divide between the eastern and western halves of the state another is my state of North Carolina with the same divide with the exception of San Francisco East aka Ashville.

                        Will another “black swann” event change dynamics before things get settled?

                        A “Black Swan” event I would think will occur in the leadup to the election the big question is who will instigate it.

                      • #152159
                        Joe (G.W.N.S.)
                        Moderator

                          A “Black Swan” event I would think will occur in the leadup to the election the big question is who will instigate it.

                          Certainly a lot can happen between now and election.

                          Election day could also be interesting.

                          I currently don’t give the current polls anymore credence than the 2016 polls that had a landslide for HRC.

                          Beyond mere voter fraud, I could easily see some attacks attempting to reduce voter turnout. If these mail in fraud votes occur if could make the hanging “chad” fiasco look like child’s play.

                          Regardless of election results I expect resistance to the official decision.

                          Violence seems a very likely end result.

                          Chaotic times with no true precedence to look to for guidance.

                        • #152160
                          Joe (G.W.N.S.)
                          Moderator

                            Per the other thread I think this will be more rural/suburban vs. urban…

                            It wouldn’t surprise me if the suburban middle ground became the actual battlefields, with only isolated events in Urban and Rural.

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