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    • #119796
      Healthhokie
      Participant

        I probably missed this here on the forum due to vacation but what is the truth here?

        From the Captain’s Journal:
        Colt Firearms Confirms It’s Leaving The Civilian Long Gun Market
        BY HERSCHEL SMITH
        18 hours, 15 minutes ago
        We covered this before, but there was some question as to the authenticity of the statement by Colt. Listen to them in their own words.

        Colt moving away from selling ARs to civilians isn’t a sign that the company wants to stop selling guns to civilians altogether, however. Instead, the company will ramp up sales of pistols and revolvers, including its 1911 models, Cobra, King Cobra, and Single Action Army collectible series.

        In a statement to NRA’s Shooting Illustrated, Colt’s senior vice president for commercial business, Paul Spitale, said that the civilian AR production cut was based on consumer feedback and a close analysis of the market’s ebbs and flows.

        [ … ]

        According to Spitale, rifles aren’t heavily favored by the civilian market, resulting in lower profit margins for Colt while the company continues to go full steam on producing rifles to fulfill outstanding military and law enforcement contracts.

        Which, of course, is an absurd declaration, i.e., that “rifles aren’t heavily favored by the civilian market.” It’s just that the civilian market doesn’t apparently favor Colt rifles. Ruger, Smith & Wesson, Daniel Defense, BCM, FN, and a whole host of other companies are doing well enough.

        So they intend to focus on … wait for it … producing rifles to fulfill outstanding military and law enforcement contracts. I take this to mean replacement rifles and more particularly, replacement parts.

        The revolver market was abdicated to Smith & Wesson and Ruger, and I doubt that Colt will regain support in this sector. This portends bad things for Colt’s future, in my estimation.

      • #119810
        Joe (G.W.N.S.)
        Moderator

          My guess is someone within the parent company that owns Colt is letting the the Socialist Propaganda convince them that Trump is going to loose.

          So changing direction on their own schedule is preferable to being forced to adapt after potential legislation.

          This really isn’t the first time Colt has been guided by poorly informed owners and it probably won’t be the last time. ;-)

          Colt has been given up for dead in the past and it’s failure in the future is anyone’s guess.

          The biggest thing I see coming out of this is the disgruntled anti-Colt Nuts coming up to the surface to proclaim they were right!

          For those ready to jump on boycotting Colt.

          I would only say that almost all of the big manufacturers and many of the smaller ones also make decisions that if known by the public would get them in hot water. This includes supporting political goals that are counted productive.

        • #120070
          First Sergeant
          Moderator

            I am getting conflicting stories about this.

            The place you quoted from I wouldn’t put much faith in.

            FILO
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            • #120158
              Healthhokie
              Participant

                There were multiple sources, grabbed maybe not the best one.. Some say moving away from, some say a delay but will continue in the civilian market. Will wait and see..

            • #120234
              The Librarian
              Participant

                I am getting conflicting stories about this.

                The place you quoted from I wouldn’t put much faith in.

                Scott,

                Are you referring to Captain’s Journal? I must have missed something about that site.

              • #120240
                Joe (G.W.N.S.)
                Moderator

                  Are you referring to Captain’s Journal?

                  Can’t speak for First Sergeant, but the few Posts I’ve read related to military subjects demonstrated a fundamental lack of knowledge of the subject matter by Herschel Smith.

                  A couple of examples being the Tongo Tongo Ambush and the Battle of Wanat. There were others also, but these were particularly bad.

                • #120279
                  First Sergeant
                  Moderator

                    Are you referring to Captain’s Journal?

                    Can’t speak for First Sergeant, but the few Posts I’ve read related to military subjects demonstrated a fundamental lack of knowledge of the subject matter by Herschel Smith.

                    A couple of examples being the Tongo Tongo Ambush and the Battle of Wanat. There were others also, but these were particularly bad.

                    ^^^^What he said.

                    FILO
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                    • #120618
                      Max
                      Keymaster

                        Herschel Smith at Captains Journal is a fucking ego driven idiot.

                        • #120619
                          Max
                          Keymaster

                            In fact, can we post a list of blogs here, that we recommend people do not read? I mean, not because of opinions or whatever, but simply to warn people of ignorance?

                          • #120965
                            wheelsee
                            Participant

                              Good idea….the more I learn/read, the more I’ve become aware of issues.

                              BUT I didn’t know what I didn’t know back then……still don’t B-)

                              The easiest way to pass a falsehood is to couch it in the truth – then SME take it apart, helping the rest of us.

                        • #120401
                          Healthhokie
                          Participant

                            PR from Colt:

                            Colt PR on civilian market

                            CYA or truth, who knows. The Colt haters will read it the way they want…

                          • #120411
                            Joe (G.W.N.S.)
                            Moderator

                              I suspect my original take is close to the truth.

                              My guess is someone within the parent company that owns Colt is letting the the Socialist Propaganda convince them that Trump is going to loose.

                              So changing direction on their own schedule is preferable to being forced to adapt after potential legislation.

                              This really isn’t the first time Colt has been guided by poorly informed owners and it probably won’t be the last time. ;-)

                              Colt has not been a trend setter, typically they are slow to respond to changing demands by anything other than high volume contracts.

                              When they have strayed from their roots they have dropped the ball.

                              This can be viewed as a negative or a positive depending on perspective.

                              For instance it was only recently with the introduction of the CCU Carbine which had a midlength gas system.

                              The positive side is their basic AR has been a proven dependable system without fadish extras that weren’t suitable for real duty use.

                              For the most part I am slow to adopt “the latest and greatest” as I prefer others to go through any growing pains associated with new products. When I was a collector it was different, but I got out of that hobby a long time ago. ;-)

                            • #120539
                              First Sergeant
                              Moderator

                                So Colt has finally responded.

                                What it looks like is they have felt the effects of the “Trump Slump”. That started the day after election day. Gun sales dropped off significantly across the board. We saw it in the shop that I work in. Several gun shops went out of business shortly after the election due to over extending themselves. They stocked up on lots of guns and mags in anticipation of her winning. Problem is several of them did it on credit and couldn’t repay the loans.

                                People just aren’t buying guns in the volume that they were when Obama was in office.

                                Colt has made a financial decision that I can’t fault them for. Especially given their history of bankruptcies. The margins on guns are very thin. You make up for that in volume. When the volume isn’t there you have to readjust.

                                Now for some comments that should piss several people off.

                                I have been telling people for years, on this board, at class and at the shop, get a Colt. It is the standard when it comes to AR’s. It is the company that all others are judged by. They have been making AR pattern rifles for over 50 years. They know what it takes to make a dependable rifle run right out of the box.

                                Another thing for all the Colt haters to chew on.

                                The one company that has ensured that the U.S. Miltary could stack bodies for over 50 years. The one company that has equipped SF, SoF and Infantryman for over 50 years. The one company that equipped SOG and their little people. The one company that has equipped our allies with dependable rifles for over 50 years. The one company that has equipped me and several members of my family on AD and in combat since 1968. The one company that doesn’t chase the latest fad or gimmick. The one company that has continuously made a rifle that will run out of the box.

                                That one company is Colt.

                                You have bitched about them for years. Now you finally got your wish. Keep buying your trash guns cause I have enough Colt AR’s to last me several lifetimes.

                                One last thing, everyone wants to buy the latest and greatest gear that some super special unit is using. NOD’s(Dual WP), lasers(MAWLS), the latest uniform(Crye), plate carriers(Crye and First Spear) handgun(Glock and SIG), boots, the latest cool guy pack(Mystery Ranch), cold weather gear(Outdoor Research) etc.

                                The one thing that all those units are issued is the one thing you detest and refuse to spend your money on. A Colt rifle.

                                Choke on that.

                                FILO
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                                • #120558
                                  Thomas
                                  Participant

                                    Where is the like button??!!!

                                  • #120617
                                    Max
                                    Keymaster

                                      Hell yeah! I love fucking Colt Rifles. Colt 6920 OEM2 all day.

                                      But what to do now? I don;t have the number of rifles Scott has. I only got one of the OEM2. So, what is the alternative? Sad fucking day.

                                      • #120852
                                        Thomas
                                        Participant

                                          Daniel Defense (DD)
                                          Lewis Machine and Tool (LMT)
                                          Bravo Company Manufacturing (BCM)

                                          All three are excellent rifles.

                                          Knights Armament Company (KAC) is also excellent. I think KAC has some proprietary parts which is why they are not listed above. I would appreciate if First Sergeant would confirm or deny.

                                          All have US military contracts and meet technical data package specifications.

                                          FN agreed not to sell military specification firearms to the public when they won their government contract.

                                    • #120551
                                      Healthhokie
                                      Participant

                                        Don’t have a dog in the fight and have to rely on 1st Sargent’s expertise with rifles. Don’t shoot the messenger!!

                                        See how the MSM, even the relatively conservative MSM is spinning this..

                                        Fox News – Colt PR

                                        • #120553
                                          First Sergeant
                                          Moderator

                                            That wasn’t a shot at you.

                                            Just a rant that has been building for a hell of a long time.

                                            I ain’t done either.

                                            FILO
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                                            • #120599
                                              Healthhokie
                                              Participant

                                                I learned a long time ago not to take your comments personally! :-)

                                                I believe with what happens over the next several months will be a buying frenzy like prior to the election because people will finally realize that Trump ain’t going to save them and the Democrats are emboldened. Beto finally said what they all really want like Feinmonster did years ago.

                                                Virginia is about to go blue and will never go back. Northern Virginia govies and morons will overwhelm the state just like Baltimore, Montgomery/Howard/Prince Georges Counties did to Maryland.

                                                It is going to get sporty…

                                          • #120555
                                            Joe (G.W.N.S.)
                                            Moderator

                                              Choke on that.

                                              I hate it when you “sugar coat things,” just say what you mean! ;-)

                                              I ain’t done either.

                                              Sounds good! :good:

                                              I enjoyed that. B-)

                                            • #120587
                                              Hessian
                                              Participant

                                                So Colt has finally responded.

                                                What it looks like is they have felt the effects of the “Trump Slump”. That started the day after election day. Gun sales dropped off significantly across the board. We saw it in the shop that I work in. Several gun shops went out of business shortly after the election due to over extending themselves. They stocked up on lots of guns and mags in anticipation of her winning. Problem is several of them did it on credit and couldn’t repay the loans.

                                                People just aren’t buying guns in the volume that they were when Obama was in office.

                                                The one thing that all those units are issued is the one thing you detest and refuse to spend your money on. A Colt rifle.

                                                Choke on that.

                                                People had too much faith that Trump was going to right the ship. Many individuals are too short sighted and can’t think long term. I tried to warn people that the trump election was winning a battle but not the war. People should still continue to buy gear n guns as well as train no matter whats going on today, for there is no guarantee of a peaceful tomorrow.

                                                Then there is Trump’s latest tweet.

                                                As far as COLT goes. It varies a lot in what internet circles you browse. Many people just say “buy a $400 PSA kit and build it yourself” their ignorance is astounding and there will be many stories of failed frankenstien build ARs post boogaloo.

                                              • #120588
                                                RobRoy
                                                Participant

                                                  I’m gonna buy a Colt and maybe a FN AR-pattern rifle, when the CMP sells the A2s and A4s off as surplus.

                                                  Gotta supply that militia the Progtards are always trying to qualify the 2A with and I have a plan. Besides I have soft spot in my cynical heart for rifle length ARs and the fuddery of service rifle like marksmanship.

                                                • #120629
                                                  JohnnyMac
                                                  Participant

                                                    train

                                                    For emphasis (not directed at you).

                                                    People get sucked into equipment and ammo, without the software. Invest in yourself!

                                                  • #120703
                                                    AWS18
                                                    Participant

                                                      Clyde Armory has a handful of OEM 1’s and 2’s still in stock for decent prices.
                                                      https://clydearmory.com/catalogsearch/result/?q=OEM

                                                      CQB 04/19
                                                      Heat 1 06/19
                                                      Heat 2 08/19
                                                      CLC 10/19

                                                    • #120911
                                                      LittleBigBill
                                                      Participant

                                                        Clyde’s is sold out at this time, of the OEM2.

                                                      • #120930
                                                        hellokitty
                                                        Participant

                                                          After 1SGT post, I need a safe place.

                                                          HEAT 1(CTT) X 3
                                                          HEAT 2 (CP) X1
                                                          FOF X3
                                                          OPFOR X2
                                                          CLC X2
                                                          RIFLEMAN

                                                        • #121079
                                                          First Sergeant
                                                          Moderator

                                                            I have been watching and reading this play out around the internet for the last few days. I wondered if it would die down or if the retards would continue to feed on it. Well, I got my answer.

                                                            People just can’t take it at face value. They are doing everything possible to turn this into some anti gun shit that Colt is pulling and the press release is just to try and cover it up.

                                                            Some of you reading this have taken my advice to heart over the years and I’m glad to see that. Some of the others reading this, not so much.

                                                            This is what’s going to happen going forward. I am going to start keeping a permanent list of every single failure I see at class. I am going to keep track of it by manufacturer. I will also at least cover sights, magazines and ammo.

                                                            I already have a lot of info to get started with.

                                                            I will post this list on the forum and update it as classes happen.

                                                            FILO
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                                                          • #121086
                                                            Joe (G.W.N.S.)
                                                            Moderator

                                                              I have been watching and reading this play out around the internet for the last few days. I wondered if it would die down or if the retards would continue to feed on it. Well, I got my answer.

                                                              The issue is these internet fools feed off of each other and build into the ultimate groupthink.

                                                              I like Colt for all of the reasons we’ve discussed, of course I recognize some of Colt’s past mistakes in poitical BS. Never forget those decisions were made by bean counter types with no real connection to Colt beyond having the money to buy into it as part of larger organizations.

                                                              Another potential option to acquire Colt AR’s is to monitor some of the distributors that deal in “police trade ins,” these are handled far more than actually fired making them excellent options.

                                                            • #121575
                                                              DiznNC
                                                              Participant

                                                                I know there are a lot of guys like the 1st Sgt that were issued Colts during the G-WOT and learned to trust them. And that’s how it should be. For him and his generation, they ran just fine. And for you guys as well, good choice these days.

                                                                But. For old fossils like me, I still have major heart-burn over the shenanigan’s they pulled earlier, in my time. And that is neither here, nor there. I don’t like Colt because of what happened, especially when I left AD and tried to buy one, and that’s on me. You may see nothing wrong with them because you have only known them since the kinks were worked out, they stopped buggering them up, and/or they decided to sell one to you. Or not.

                                                                So yeah, the 1st Sgt is right, if you keep track of this shit, like Pat Roger’s (may he RIP) “Book of Shame”, you will find all manner of failures, and very few, if any Colt parts involved. That much is true. But I’d rather have a sister in a whore house than a Colt in my house; but that’s just me.

                                                                And you can all laugh when/if my guns choke at class.

                                                                I’m gonna leave all the politics out of it this time. I respect the 1st Sgt’s opinion, because he is right. They do run. But I’m a cranky old fucker and won’t go out of my way to buy one. But wouldn’t turn down a battlefield pick-up either.

                                                              • #121585
                                                                Joe (G.W.N.S.)
                                                                Moderator

                                                                  You may see nothing wrong with them because you have only known them since the kinks were worked out, they stopped buggering them up, and/or they decided to sell one to you. Or not.

                                                                  Can’t say the exact dates of First Sergeant’s career, but both of us started well before the GWOT. My first Colt SP1 bought new was built around 1980. Never had a single issue with it to this day. About as close as we can get to a M16A1 without some serious cash and NFA hassles.

                                                                  I have quite a bit of time with issued M16A1’s before the transition to A2’s was complete.

                                                                  I vaguely remember you explaining your reasons several years back.

                                                                  None of this is meant to argue, but is meant to show that some like myself had different experiences.

                                                                  My last issue rifle was a FN made M16A3! ;-)

                                                                  Welcome back.

                                                                • #121587
                                                                  DiznNC
                                                                  Participant

                                                                    Hey Thanks Joe! I have strong opinions on them, but a lot of that is based on emotions and not the fact that they run well these days. I freely admit I’m not a perfect person; I have an irrational hatred of colt, based on ancient history, which doesn’t really have any bearing on performance today. Some will say you’re an idiot and they’re probably right. But it is was it is.

                                                                  • #121590
                                                                    Joe (G.W.N.S.)
                                                                    Moderator

                                                                      But it is was it is.

                                                                      We all have reasons for our choices and plenty of choices are available and some aren’t even AR’s! ;-)

                                                                    • #121647
                                                                      DiznNC
                                                                      Participant

                                                                        Yeah I am really trying to re-calibrate this attitude about colt, because I’m using a new EOTech RDS right now, because it’s the best sight for passive NV use. SO yeah, what’s the difference, right? EOTech screwed the pooch, much the same as colt. But they re-covered and make good products now. In an effort to be consistent, I’m trying to move away from an absolute disdain for colt. This is why we have 1st Sgts. They do have this habit of keeping us honest.

                                                                      • #121698
                                                                        First Sergeant
                                                                        Moderator

                                                                          The very first rifle I was issued was an M-16A1 that was older than I was. It had a low 6 digit SN and the finish on the lower was worn almost white. It ran like it was supposed to.

                                                                          Back then we didn’t know what we know now about fighting with a rifle. Damn near every issue we had was due to bad magazines or no lube. Back then the system was so fucked up that it was almost impossible to get rid of bad mags even though they were a Class 9 item(Expendable).

                                                                          That first A1 was in basic and AIT. We got A2’s to fam fire with. When I got assigned to my first unit we still had A1’s and 1911’s. The Army had not fielded A2’s to every unit. That didn’t happen until we got alerted for Desert Shield, Desert Storm.

                                                                          Somewhere along there I had the opportunity to shoot M-16’s, not A1’s, a few times. Then it was A2’s until the M-4’s got fielded and some time with the M-4A1. So I have experience with all of the different variations of the M-16 family of weapons. That’s not including the conversations that I have had with family. My Dad started out with the M-14(Full Auto) and then trained on the M-16 for Vietnam, my uncle started out with the M1 Garand, then M-14 and then M-16 for Vietnam. Conversations with Vietnam veterans who used the M-16, M-16A1 and the CAR-15. The only bad thing said was to remember to download magazines by two rounds to ensure the mag fed properly and my Dad telling me that when he went from the M-14 and was given an M-16 the first time that it felt like a toy.

                                                                          So yeah, I’m biased and that ain’t ever gonna change.

                                                                          Diz, we have had this conversation more then once and neither one of us is gonna budge.

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                                                                        • #121753
                                                                          RobRoy
                                                                          Participant

                                                                            Friggin Army, in the USMC my arty battery got the A2 in early 1985 and that was on the Rock. I was the weapon’s custodian for my battery and let me tell you the A1s in that particular unit were vets of the Tet offensive, the A2s were like divine instruments of the gods. Now the A1s had some cool markings like Chrysler and other manufacturers if I remember, but literally all shot out.

                                                                            So I wonder since I cannot remember who made the A2s?

                                                                            • #121821
                                                                              First Sergeant
                                                                              Moderator

                                                                                Colt made the A2’s.

                                                                                Most forward deployed units(Army and USMC) got the A2’s almost immediately. I think it was Korea, SF and the 82nd for the Army. My first unit got lost in the bureaucratic shuffle because of who we were assigned to for support, not because of what we did.

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                                                                            • #121881
                                                                              DiznNC
                                                                              Participant

                                                                                1st Sgt. you’re right, but I’m trying to change my evil ways.

                                                                                I was issued a shot-out M-16, Vietnam veteran, no doubt, at Quantico in 1976. By the time I made it to fleet, at 3d Recon Bn on Oki, pretty much the same deal. In the reserves, 1980-83, the M-16A1’s were trickling in. Same with the Army Guard, in 1984. By 1991, my old reserve unit had M-16A2’s in time for Desert Storm.

                                                                                Every Colt I was ever issued ran well. It’s only when I left AD, I tried to buy a “CAR-15” that I started to have heart-burn with Colt. This has been re-hashed so much I will leave all the rest out of it.

                                                                                I am in Max’s and the 1st Sgt’s house, so I’m gonna just STFU now.

                                                                                Here I am, with my first private purchase “CAR-15”, in the reserves, circa 1980.

                                                                                CAR-15

                                                                              • #122174
                                                                                billyd
                                                                                Participant

                                                                                  Quick question: I just purchased a Colt upper receiver assembly online from arms unlimited, after receiving it and upon close inspection I noted the logo on the upper being a raised square not the usual “C” as is the case on all my previous uppers

                                                                                  Any feedback?

                                                                                • #122187
                                                                                  Joe (G.W.N.S.)
                                                                                  Moderator

                                                                                    I just purchased a Colt upper receiver assembly…

                                                                                    That’s far too generic.

                                                                                    What specifically did you buy?

                                                                                  • #122190
                                                                                    billyd
                                                                                    Participant

                                                                                      LE6920CK

                                                                                    • #122198
                                                                                      billyd
                                                                                      Participant

                                                                                        I’m concerned I didn’t get a genuine Colt Upper due to the logo inconsistency.
                                                                                        Any info/help appreciated

                                                                                      • #122200
                                                                                        Joe (G.W.N.S.)
                                                                                        Moderator

                                                                                          …being a raised square…

                                                                                          The square denotes a “Brass Aluminum Forging Enterprises” forging.

                                                                                          Many manufacturers use them, I could not find any definitive proof whether Colt uses them. Some say yes.

                                                                                          We’ll see what First Sergeant says.

                                                                                          Remember these forging companies aren’t machining anything so a forging with a square marking finished by two different companies is not the same beyond the forged aluminum.


                                                                                          Upper forging example.

                                                                                          Any barrel markings?

                                                                                          I am not an expert in these details, I was attempting to anticipate any questions First Sergeant may ask so he can provide a answer without waiting for more information from you.

                                                                                        • #122206
                                                                                          billyd
                                                                                          Participant

                                                                                            Thank you Joe. The only markings on the barrel are the following:
                                                                                            a 5 digit number and then the usual M P 5.56 NATO 1/7

                                                                                            • #122210
                                                                                              First Sergeant
                                                                                              Moderator

                                                                                                That 5 digit code is the cage number. Post it and I will tell you if its Colt.

                                                                                                Most Colt uppers now don’t have the C on them, just the mark for the forge.

                                                                                                Did it come with a BCG?

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                                                                                            • #122207
                                                                                              Anonymous
                                                                                              Inactive

                                                                                                I was at the gun show in Chantilly last weekend, saw some Colt ARs there but they were pretty costly, in the $2000 range, mostly older rifles (many were “pre-ban”) but they’re still floating around out there.

                                                                                              • #122293
                                                                                                billyd
                                                                                                Participant

                                                                                                  Thanks First Sergeant, I PM’ed you the cage code

                                                                                                  • #122355
                                                                                                    First Sergeant
                                                                                                    Moderator

                                                                                                      That’s Colt Defense Cage Code.

                                                                                                      For those of you wondering the cage code is 13629.

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                                                                                                  • #122294
                                                                                                    billyd
                                                                                                    Participant

                                                                                                      and it did come with a BCG

                                                                                                    • #122398
                                                                                                      RobRoy
                                                                                                      Participant

                                                                                                        Down the page this AM at zerohedge an article about a contract for up to 200k M-16A4s being let out. The usual blurbs about signing a disclosure with Colt for the data and all that. So it is something to keep a look out for any info going forward.

                                                                                                      • #123144
                                                                                                        Anonymous
                                                                                                        Inactive

                                                                                                          Here is a link to Chris from small arms solutions. He gives the best response to about Colts decisions. He use to work for Colt at some point.

                                                                                                          • #123723
                                                                                                            First Sergeant
                                                                                                            Moderator

                                                                                                              While I appreciate his literary work on the AR.

                                                                                                              He has an axe to grind because he was fired from Colt.

                                                                                                              He hasn’t worked there for a long time.

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                                                                                                          • #123175
                                                                                                            RobRoy
                                                                                                            Participant

                                                                                                              Colt still advertises on the outdoor channels as if they still would sell an AR to a civvie, at least that is what I think those ads mean.

                                                                                                              • #123724
                                                                                                                First Sergeant
                                                                                                                Moderator

                                                                                                                  They never said that they would not sell AR’s on the civilian marketplace. They said that they were concentrating on government and foreign military contracts right now.

                                                                                                                  They also acknowledged that the AR market is flooded, it is. AR’s aren’t selling, except for the cheap junk from PSA an poverty ponies.

                                                                                                                  They made a business decision to keep them from going bankrupt again. They are selling a crap load of the new revolvers right now.

                                                                                                                  They also stated that as soon as the AR market looked better they would up the production again.

                                                                                                                  Stop believing the absolute fucking morons on the internet who can’t get out of there own way to crap on Colt.

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                                                                                                                RobRoy
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                                                                                                                  The latest NRA sweepstakes has Colt ARs as prizes.

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