Changes to the MVT Training Schedule / Philosophy

Bergmann: Redoubt Gorge & Goat Ridge
June 2, 2015
June 26 6 Day Combined Class is A GO! + Comment
June 3, 2015


As we move forward with the training schedule I am going to make some changes to the way MVT offers classes. I will be offering less open enrollment classes, going to one per month, with the aim of making sure classes are full and therefore students get the maximum training benefit from there being full team and squad level formations present.

You can probably infer from that that classes over the summer have not been at capacity. They haven’t. Go figure. Even with Student Reviews such as these. I have a pet theory: despite the quality of training on offer, I am often talking about the need for PT, and so are students in their reviews, as well as saying how they found the classes exhausting. Now, it is patently true that the classes are deliberately not excessively physically demanding, but if people have the impression that they are, they will not want to put themselves through them. Some will, but they are the alumni minority that I am proud of. I think we may have scared some folks off!

The current schedule will remain largely unchanged, although I just removed the August 21-23 CTT and consolidated it onto the August 7-9 class. I am struggling to make the 6 Day Class on June 26 work, which is unusual, because those classes (and the same one last year) are normally full. Some classes just suffer from bad timing. It’s all about having enough students to allow them to gain the benefit of a suitably sized squad level team on Combat Patrol.


The way I will run it will be to schedule one open enrollment weekend per month. It will probably be a rotation of 2 x Combat Team Tactics classes followed on the third month with Combat Patrol. I will throw a smattering of Land Navigation classes onto a second weekend on selected months.

The Rifleman Challenge will be the scheduled training weekend for either March or April (Spring) and September or October (Fall).

I would like to keep my Texas training classes going in February each year, and they remain popular.

In addition to the open enrollment classes, I will make myself available for private group bookings, either for classes held at the MVT Training site in WV, or at your place by arrangement. However, the class offerings will be the same – the classes are progressions and the 3 day Combat Team tactics is required before progression onto Combat Patrol or Mobility. It is the basic class.


I will consider one additional course for private groups at the WV site: a hybrid CTT/CQB class, where the CTT class is cut at lunchtime on Sunday (you will miss some iterations and the final  squad attack) and we will move to the square range for an afternoon of High Threat CQB entry & clearance drills, as exhibited at the MVT Riflemen Challenge (you get the same CQB training as at the Challenge).


  1. Diz says:

    Well, this is a tough one. It needs to be hard so you get full training value, yet it needs to be entry-level so more folks can access it.

    Although it certainly kicked my ass, I would say that to get through it is more mental than physical. You can do it if you really want to.

    As to why these classes aren’t filling up, that’s a tough one as well. All this noise on line about the sit, but when it’s time to train, crickets.

    I think it has something to do with the overlap of those who have the wherewithal to come out and train, and those that are physically (and mentally) able to do so.

    I’m not seeing so many young studs doing this (why-your guess is as good as mine). I’m seeing older folks, who see a need for this type of training.

    These guys may be scared off by the reviews that talk about how trashed you are afterwards. Seriously, if you are in reasonable physical shape, with no major impairments, you can do these classes. As I said, it depends on how bad you want it.

    • Prijador says:

      Heh, it was only a butt-kicker *because* I’m old. Your average young guy wouldn’t have a problem.

      Perhaps they don’t realize that it’s
      live fire.
      in a team.
      against pop-up targets.
      in the woods.
      Who can beat that???

      The biggest “problem” will be when you say to yourself “Who the heck wants to go back to a square range after that?”

  2. Easy says:


    It is a sad commentary when people aren’t willing to get off the couch and train enough to get through three days of semi-strenuous physical activity.

    I am 51, quickly approaching 52, and last year did the inaugural 5 day (when it was still 5 day) ctt/patrol class.

    Leading up to that, I did some walking/rucking, running a few sprints, doing some core work, nothing major, and I made it through just fine. Granted, I was spent at the end of that five days. My calves swolled up like popeye’s forearms, and I was sore for a few days. But there was, for me anyway, a very strong sense of accomplishment.

    I had no idea what to expect really when I showed up. One of the things we talked about in the AAR before we departed for home was how “scared(?)” I was the last few days leading up to that class. Could I do it? Would I be made to look bad? Would everyone else in class be running circles around me? But I stuffed that shit down and went anyway, and am damn glad I did.

    I used to coach junior football. There were always a few kids who were afraid to get hit, afraid to put that shoulder down and make that solid tackle. I told them over and over that:

    “Physical pain goes away. Injuries heal. But knowing that you didn’t do something because you were afraid will never leave you. It gnaws at your insides like a cancer, and reinforces all the bad self talk that so many of us have. You will remember the things you avoided because of fear your whole life. Don’t allow yourself to be haunted by the things you didn’t do because you were afraid”

    This is true of all of us. If you do what you fear, that fear evaporates, and you are left stronger, knowing that when the bell rings, you will come out of your corner.

    Perhaps more importantly, if you can’t tamp down that fear to go and “train” how in the hell do you ever hope to overcome should you find yourself in a real gun fight against a real enemy? Think about it.

    • Max Velocity says:

      Yes, good comment: it’s a sorry state where we see this lack of intestinal fortitude. The flip side is the mental bluff people pull by convincing themselves they have trained by doing just some tacticool square range stuff, or some second rate ‘easy’ class or standard. It’s the mental gymnastics of denial.

      Those who come to the Rifleman Challenge not only face a realistic standard, and get a lot of training out of it, but they demonstrate the courage to stand up and DO.

    • SeanT says:

      You can”t simply just go anywhere and receive this experience/ practical exercise of skills/knowledge and training just anywhere. Keep this resource viable by USING it!

  3. Winston says:

    I can only speak of my story, but my guess is many are still asleep as I was. I’m a military retiree, golden handcuff detainee in DC. Always conservative, often outspoken, but never really did anything to shake up the world. I dabbled in stocks/bonds/real estate a bit. So, I understood and was horrified when everything feel apart in September 2008. I finally swallowed the red pill and awoke to the real world. I marched and protested at ever TP event for years. We know where that got us…nowhere.

    I’ve been “prepping” for years…or so I told myself. Started bow hunting. Planted a garden. Became an volunteer EMT. All good, but reality is I was overwhelmed with grief/fear/anger and just buried my head and became an internet warrior. My armory and supplies wouldn’t have gotten me through 30 days…but I told myself otherwise.

    It took a meeting on Capital Hill back in April with a true conservative staffer to shake me out of my coma. After 20 yrs, he’s giving up. “Something evil had taken over,” he said. “No one wants to fix or stop what they know is coming.” Within a week I bought my AR, started truly prepping and found Max’s website.
    In the last month, I’ve meet many fine folks getting ready who could all use the training. But they don’t really think they need tactical training and only see it as a III%er fantasy that we’ll have to fight the gov. They are wrong in my opinion. Threats to my family will come in all shapes, sizes and directions.

    Keep doing what you are doing Max and I’ll see you in July.

    P.S. – I’m 49 and looking forward to challenging myself in the summer heat. I won’t be in the best shape of my life, but it will be better than today.

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  5. On the other hand, the “bookend” classes (Sept-April-ish) seem to fill up pretty quick.
    Would it maybe be worth it to keep those at 2 per month, in order to maintain availability during those higher-traffic times, and then cut back with the slack in demand during the summer months?
    I remember last year, the fall CTT classes filled up so fast (months beforehand), that personally, I wouldn’t have been there if there hadn’t been a few cancellations.

    Per lack of current attendance, maybe…. someone’s stealing your market share!
    haha 😛